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objektivierbar

English translation: not supported by objective evidence // not demonstrated/proven objectively

03:27 Feb 8, 2022
German to English translations [PRO]
Medical - Medical (general)
German term or phrase: objektivierbar
Befund, accident injuries:

"Manifeste Paresen sind nicht objektivierter."

I know what it means: objektivierbar=subjektunabhängig wiederholbar

But I was wondering whether I can use "reproducible" here: "Manifest palsies are not reproducible"? Does this make sense?

Any better ideas (it's 4 AM here and I am proving to be an OCD-perfectionist...between you and me, I could just go with "objectifiable" and call it a night...hehe).

But perhaps this entry will help others in the future and build our glossary, so I hope that we will ointly come up with an elegant solution to this. After all, translation is art.

THANKS
Lirka
Austria
Local time: 14:24
English translation:not supported by objective evidence // not demonstrated/proven objectively
Explanation:
This is what springs to mind as a possible paraphrase.

See, for instance,

https://meteor.aihw.gov.au/content/index.phtml/itemId/356777
"Use this code where the history is not supported by objective evidence."

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fneur.2021.6566...
"Although the alleged slowness of movement was not supported by objective evidence, it may imply a latent parkinsonian symptom."

https://www.internationaljournalofcardiology.com/article/S01...
"However, absence of atherosclerosis in JUPITER was based on the subjects' history and not proven objectively."

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Note added at 4 hrs (2022-02-08 08:21:34 GMT)
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no objectively verifiable signs and symptoms of ...
Selected response from:

Steffen Walter
Germany
Local time: 14:24
Grading comment
Thanks, Steffen, I went with this idea.
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



Summary of answers provided
3 +2not supported by objective evidence // not demonstrated/proven objectively
Steffen Walter
4 +1no verifiable (clinical) signs of pareses/paresis
uyuni
4reproducible (in other patients)
Barbara Schmidt, M.A. (X)
4subjective / subjectively confirmed
Cillie Swart
3objectively identifiable (way)
Adrian MM.
3cannot be predictably reproduced
Michael Martin, MA


Discussion entries: 5





  

Answers


4 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +2
nicht objektivierbar
not supported by objective evidence // not demonstrated/proven objectively


Explanation:
This is what springs to mind as a possible paraphrase.

See, for instance,

https://meteor.aihw.gov.au/content/index.phtml/itemId/356777
"Use this code where the history is not supported by objective evidence."

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fneur.2021.6566...
"Although the alleged slowness of movement was not supported by objective evidence, it may imply a latent parkinsonian symptom."

https://www.internationaljournalofcardiology.com/article/S01...
"However, absence of atherosclerosis in JUPITER was based on the subjects' history and not proven objectively."

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Note added at 4 hrs (2022-02-08 08:21:34 GMT)
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no objectively verifiable signs and symptoms of ...

Steffen Walter
Germany
Local time: 14:24
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in GermanGerman
PRO pts in category: 531
Grading comment
Thanks, Steffen, I went with this idea.

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Barbara Schmidt, M.A. (X): I'm not entirely sure that this is what's meant here.
40 mins
  -> See my comment on your answer.
agree  Anne Schulz: That's how I read it as well - pt. possibly complains of weakness and inability to use muscles/limbs, but 'objective' tests like EMG, ENoG don't confirm any abnormalities.
55 mins
  -> Yes, that's exactly what I mean.
agree  uyuni: with 'verifiable' only...'Objectively verifiable' seems like a tautology to me.
1 day 1 hr
  -> True, I agree.
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5 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
reproducible (in other patients)


Explanation:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reproducibility

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5834126/

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Note added at 5 Stunden (2022-02-08 09:02:38 GMT)
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As far as 'evidence' is concerned, Altmayer says that
Evidence refers to "that which is apparently unquestionable, that which is recognisable by direct observation or insight".
https://www.altmeyers.org/en/internal-medicine/evidence-base...


Barbara Schmidt, M.A. (X)
Germany
Local time: 14:24
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: German
PRO pts in category: 119

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Steffen Walter: Not sure at all because Lirka's context indicates findings in a single patient ("Befund, accident injuries"). There's no comparison/reproducibility involved here, in my view.
1 hr
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7 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
subjective / subjectively confirmed


Explanation:
for some reason sometimes in German objektiverter means subjective. I think this is one of those cases. In other words, because it is manifest, it is not subjective.


    https://www.deepl.com/translator?utm_source=lingueebanner1&il=en#de/en/objektivierter
Cillie Swart
South Africa
Local time: 14:24
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 62
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9 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
no verifiable (clinical) signs of pareses/paresis


Explanation:
Keep ist short and simple...

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Note added at 9 Stunden (2022-02-08 13:24:53 GMT)
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- 1 's', sorry!

uyuni
Local time: 14:24
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in GermanGerman
PRO pts in category: 793

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Steffen Walter: Similar to my added note ;-)
1 hr
  -> Thanks Steffen! I solemnly swear that I did not realize your note in addition to your previous reply,
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10 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
objectively identifiable (way)


Explanation:
objektivierbar=subjektunabhängig wiederholbar : repeatable or reproducible in an objectively identifiable and subject-independent (-unrelated) way.

Manifeste Paresen sind nicht objektivierter : ....are not identifiable any more objectively... (assuming this is the comparative form).

Example sentence(s):
  • Which term is used to describe an objectively identifiable aberration of the disease? A. Syndrome B. Symptom C. Sign D. Stage.

    Reference: http://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=objectivel...
Adrian MM.
Austria
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 12
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1 day 17 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
cannot be predictably reproduced


Explanation:
My take

Michael Martin, MA
United States
Local time: 08:24
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in GermanGerman, Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 159
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