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Jun 3, 2004 12:25
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Romanian term
Cap de Bour
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Anul 1858 este o data importanta în evolutia postei. Atunci au fost introduse primele timbre postale române, considerate ca fiind printre cele mai vechi din lume. Este vorba despre celebra serie "Cap de Bour", piese de o deosebita valoare în lumea filateliei din zilele noastre.
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Proposed translations
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4 +2 | Aurochs Head | elenus |
4 | Bull's Head | Filip Gadiuta |
4 -1 | bison head | Andrei Albu |
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Aurochs Head
"The stamp features the old aurochs-head coat-of-arms of Rakvere on the background of a 15th century certificate issued by the municipality, with the present..."
vezi link: www.post.ee/eestipostmark/ve_2002_252_05.asp?id=98
vezi link: www.post.ee/eestipostmark/ve_2002_252_05.asp?id=98
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Bogdan Burghelea
: more like it!
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Iulia Matei
: Adevarat. Latinescul "Bos primigenius" din def. dictionarului Oxford pt. aurochs se potriveste cu denumirea latineasca pt. bour a Muzeului Antipa.
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Filip Gadiuta
: Filatelistii straini cunosc emisiunea "Cap de bour" sub numele de " Bull's Head". Putem sa-i zicem "Aurochs Head", dar poate produce confuzii. In cazul de fata, desebirea intre bour, zimbru, taur etc. e mai putin importanta. A se vedea si linkul la FFR.
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Bull's Head
The renown Romanian (Moldavian) coat of arms stamps issued in 1858 belong to the jewels of the world philately. Hand stamped in very small quantities, they were already collected by the greatest stamps collectors of the past, like by Count Ferrari and by Burrus. They display the head of a (probably mythical) animal named Bour and for this reasons they are know in Romanian under the name of Capete de Bour. This animal is the symbol of Moldova (Moldavia) and his head appears also on later Romanian stamps, because Moldova became later a province of Romania. The newer Republic of Moldova has also good reasons to consider these stamps as its first stamps. The English translation of the name of these stamps is Bull's Heads.
http://www.values.ch/Countries/Romania/FirstStamps/classics....
http://www.romaniastamps.com/
http://www.sandafayre.com/gallery/country_318_1.htm
http://home.no.net/bhb1/ro-f09e.htm
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Pt. http://www.romaniastamps.com/ : mergeti la \"Special Catalogue\" si apasati primul link din stanga sus.
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http://catalogue.klaseboer.com/vol2/html/ruman.htm
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ALTE EXEMPLE:
http://www.askphil.org/Monaco/Mon027.htm
The first stamps issued for Rumania were the famous Mo[l]davian \"Bulls\" issued in very limited numbers and very few surviving today.
http://www.stampdomain.com/country/romania/display.htm
The first stamps of Moldavia, the \"Bull Heads\", were issued on 21 July 1858
The Bull\'s Heads of Moldavia 1852-1862, by Fritz Heimbchler, 1995, 418pp
the result of 30 years research by the leading expert in this subject. Covers the prestamp period, exhaustive study of the two issues of \"Bull\'s Heads\", and postal markings of the period
FEDERATIA FILATELICA ROMANA
http://www.federatia-filatelica.ro/index-eng.htm
A sheet of \"Bull Heads\" stamps, 40 PAR, blue, cancellation by hand on white paper.
- A letter with three round \"Bull Heads\" stamps issue of 1858, July, 15, 108 PAR, blue on pale pink paper, canceled with red postal mark Jassy-Moldova and addressed to Galatzi: another letter of the same correspondence with 4 stamps \"Bull Heads\", first issue, as follows: 2 stamps of 27 PAR black on pink, one of 54 PAR, blue on greenish and one of 108 PAR, blue on pale pink canceled by round red \"Jassy-Moldova\" postal mark.
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Despre \"AUROCHS HEAD\"
In contextul timbrelor \"Cap de Bour\" eu am gasit o singura pagina cu \"aurochs head\",la amabasada Romaniei din Danemarca: http://www.romanianembassy.dk/romania/transport.html (...the renowned series “Aurochs Head”, some of which are today of inestimable value in the philatelists’ world.) Nu mi se pare entuziasmant...
Nu stiu in ce masura putem schimba \"bull\'s head\" in \"aurochs head\"... In fond, ar insemna sa renuntam la o traditie de 140 de ani :-)
http://www.values.ch/Countries/Romania/FirstStamps/classics....
http://www.romaniastamps.com/
http://www.sandafayre.com/gallery/country_318_1.htm
http://home.no.net/bhb1/ro-f09e.htm
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Pt. http://www.romaniastamps.com/ : mergeti la \"Special Catalogue\" si apasati primul link din stanga sus.
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http://catalogue.klaseboer.com/vol2/html/ruman.htm
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ALTE EXEMPLE:
http://www.askphil.org/Monaco/Mon027.htm
The first stamps issued for Rumania were the famous Mo[l]davian \"Bulls\" issued in very limited numbers and very few surviving today.
http://www.stampdomain.com/country/romania/display.htm
The first stamps of Moldavia, the \"Bull Heads\", were issued on 21 July 1858
The Bull\'s Heads of Moldavia 1852-1862, by Fritz Heimbchler, 1995, 418pp
the result of 30 years research by the leading expert in this subject. Covers the prestamp period, exhaustive study of the two issues of \"Bull\'s Heads\", and postal markings of the period
FEDERATIA FILATELICA ROMANA
http://www.federatia-filatelica.ro/index-eng.htm
A sheet of \"Bull Heads\" stamps, 40 PAR, blue, cancellation by hand on white paper.
- A letter with three round \"Bull Heads\" stamps issue of 1858, July, 15, 108 PAR, blue on pale pink paper, canceled with red postal mark Jassy-Moldova and addressed to Galatzi: another letter of the same correspondence with 4 stamps \"Bull Heads\", first issue, as follows: 2 stamps of 27 PAR black on pink, one of 54 PAR, blue on greenish and one of 108 PAR, blue on pale pink canceled by round red \"Jassy-Moldova\" postal mark.
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Despre \"AUROCHS HEAD\"
In contextul timbrelor \"Cap de Bour\" eu am gasit o singura pagina cu \"aurochs head\",la amabasada Romaniei din Danemarca: http://www.romanianembassy.dk/romania/transport.html (...the renowned series “Aurochs Head”, some of which are today of inestimable value in the philatelists’ world.) Nu mi se pare entuziasmant...
Nu stiu in ce masura putem schimba \"bull\'s head\" in \"aurochs head\"... In fond, ar insemna sa renuntam la o traditie de 140 de ani :-)
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Iulia Matei
: 1. bull este taur, care nu este acelasi lucru cu bourul. vezi DEX. 2. Strainii stiu si Budapest in loc de Bucharest. Bull's head este o traducere incorecta, de ce sa perpetuam o falsitate? + traducerea pe care o dai exemplu este a unui roman, nu straina.
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Stiu ca bull este taur. Ideea e ca filatelistii straini cunosc emisiunea "Cap de bour" sub numele " Bull's Heads". Putem sa-i zicem "Aurochs Head", dar va suna amator si va produce confuzii.
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Bogdan Burghelea
: am gasit link-uri si cu aurochs si cu bull's head. hai sa impunem termenul corect: aurochs head!
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Endre Both
: Valid point, Filip. How about a compromise solution along the lines of "Aurochs' Head (or Bull's Head as it has become known among philatelists all over the globe)"?
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lucca
: Aurochs este cuvant rar si se foloseste rar in relatie cu Capul de Bour, dar e traducerea exacta. Bull este masculul oricarei specii de bovine, deci si zimbru. In cataloagele filatelice se foloseste varianta cu Bull.
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bison head
As lasa, totusi, "Cap de Bour", eventual cu traducerea in paranteza.
Asta pentru ca este consacrat ca un nume propriu si probabil cunoscut ca atare de filatelistii din toata lumea.
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Uite inca o informatie care pledeaza pentru \"Bison\'s Head\". Chestia cu Bull ma duce cu gandul la, scuze, altceva...
\"The old medieval principality of Moldavia had a red military flag with a bison\'s (not ox\'s, as you think) head in the center. The bison is a symbol of Moldova and as old chronicles said means \"power, independence and pride\". This head you can see on our coat of arms. The three colors of Romanian and Moldavian flags were proposed in 1848 and represented three part of Romania:
Red - Moldavia,
Blue - Oltenia (east Wallachia)
Yellow - Muntenia (west Wallachia)\"
Informatie preluata de pe http://www.flags-by-swi.com/fotw/flags/md.html.
Take a pick!
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\"The bison\'s head, star, rose, and crescent are traditional symbols of Moldavia. The colours are based on the Romanian flag. Effective date 3 November 1990.
(Image © epsflags.com)\"
Preluat de pe http://www.tiscali.co.uk/reference/encyclopaedia/countryfact...
Asta pentru ca este consacrat ca un nume propriu si probabil cunoscut ca atare de filatelistii din toata lumea.
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Uite inca o informatie care pledeaza pentru \"Bison\'s Head\". Chestia cu Bull ma duce cu gandul la, scuze, altceva...
\"The old medieval principality of Moldavia had a red military flag with a bison\'s (not ox\'s, as you think) head in the center. The bison is a symbol of Moldova and as old chronicles said means \"power, independence and pride\". This head you can see on our coat of arms. The three colors of Romanian and Moldavian flags were proposed in 1848 and represented three part of Romania:
Red - Moldavia,
Blue - Oltenia (east Wallachia)
Yellow - Muntenia (west Wallachia)\"
Informatie preluata de pe http://www.flags-by-swi.com/fotw/flags/md.html.
Take a pick!
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\"The bison\'s head, star, rose, and crescent are traditional symbols of Moldavia. The colours are based on the Romanian flag. Effective date 3 November 1990.
(Image © epsflags.com)\"
Preluat de pe http://www.tiscali.co.uk/reference/encyclopaedia/countryfact...
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Bogdan Burghelea
: in nici un caz! raspunsul lui Elenus mi se pare corect: are link-uri relevante si dpdv etimologic!
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imi plac aceste "disagree-uri" ferme, fara vreo contra-propunere constructiva si "bine argumentate", merci
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Iulia Matei
: bison este bizon, deseori confundat cu zimbru, care este deseori confundat cu bourul... vezi http://www.geocities.com/romaniancoins/steme.html
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