they had very little use for

English translation: they saw no need to involve them

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English term or phrase:they had very little use for
Selected answer:they saw no need to involve them
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10:16 Mar 15, 2023
English language (monolingual) [PRO]
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English term or phrase: they had very little use for
Hi! I'm translating a book (1919) about intervention in North Russia.
The author writes about the relationship among soldiers.

It might be supposed that the British, being appropriately and properly in supreme command, would have given their orders, as far as they applied solely to the operations of purely American units, to the responsible American officers, leaving these officers without petty interference to get the work accomplished. But it was not so. British colonels did not give their orders to American colonels to be passed down the line. In fact, they had very little use for American colonels. They went to the captains, the lieutenants, and even the sergeants and corporals and the men themselves. They ignored American officers most noticeably. They set
their own petty officers upon the Americans in a manner that was most irritating to American national self-esteem and bitterly resented. And since all necessary things are reasonable to the military mind it was the greatest tact to explain that "the Americans know nothing about military matters, you know."

In fact, they had very little use for American colonels.
Can I rephrase "they did not rely on American colonels"? Is the meaning the same?

And in the last sentence "since all necessary things are reasonable to the military mind it was the greatest tact". Could anybody rephrase it?
KIA59
Russian Federation
they saw no need to involve them
Explanation:
Explanation:
They saw them as unnecessary in the chain of command so "they ignored American officers most noticeably"

So it was really a slap in the face for the American colonels as these officers were not allowed "get the work accomplished".
Instead of British colonels passing their orders on to American colonels to be passed down the line
they set their own petty officers upon the Americans in a manner that was most irritating to American national self-esteem and bitterly resented .

So no, this does not mean "they did not rely on American colonels" rather that
"they saw no need or use for American colonels" so ignored them or bypassed them

And why was that? The British as supreme commanders figured they knew best about military matters so wanted to remain in full control/command.


Your second question should really have been posted as another question but it is linked to the first so here goes.
They (The Brits) justified this as necessary and thus "reasonable" =logical "to the military mind" by saying that "the Americans know nothing about military matters, you know."
In other words, by bypassing the Americans they were tactfully (NOT!) saying that the Brits were superior in military matters. The American colonels couldn't be trusted to give orders so the Brits would continue to do so, even to the American units via their own officers.
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Yvonne Gallagher
Ireland
Local time: 08:14
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Thank you all for your variants! Yvonne's answer is most detailed.
I still can't translate correctly the second phrase so I've posted new question.
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5 +2they had no confidence in
JaneD
4 +3they saw no need to involve them
Yvonne Gallagher
3толку было очень мало
Vladyslav Golovaty


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29 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5 peer agreement (net): +2
they had no confidence in


Explanation:
(As for the last bit, I *think* they're saying that even though saying the Americans knew nothing about military matters was very tactLESS, military minds found this to be a perfectly reasonable explanation. But it's not very clear!)

JaneD
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Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Christopher Schröder: I intuitively understood it as a lack of confidence in them rather than not needing them. They had no time for them. But that is my British understanding of what appears to be an American text. What do the Americans think?
31 mins
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agree  Peter Dahm Robertson: Possibly also: regarded American colonels as unnecessary
34 mins
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neutral  Daryo: the point is they didn't feel the need to have them as relay - not necessarily because they doubted their competency, probably simply for better control of the operations. Which still made these US colonels feel as "surplus to requirement".
2 hrs
  -> That's interesting, I definitely feel like it's negative!

neutral  Tony M: I would echo Daryo's comment: this is a neutral remark and does not necessarily imply any criticism
3 hrs
  -> That's interesting, I definitely feel like it's negative!
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58 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
толку было очень мало


Explanation:
На самом деле, от американских полковников мало что зависело.
не было проку



Vladyslav Golovaty
Ukraine
Local time: 10:14
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in RussianRussian

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  philgoddard: I don't knpow if this is right, but the question was posted as English to Russian, and someone has changed it for some reason.
12 hrs

neutral  Boris Shapiro: And no, this suggestion ('they were of not much use') is pretty much off the mark, too.
18 hrs
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2 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +3
they saw no need to involve them


Explanation:
Explanation:
They saw them as unnecessary in the chain of command so "they ignored American officers most noticeably"

So it was really a slap in the face for the American colonels as these officers were not allowed "get the work accomplished".
Instead of British colonels passing their orders on to American colonels to be passed down the line
they set their own petty officers upon the Americans in a manner that was most irritating to American national self-esteem and bitterly resented .

So no, this does not mean "they did not rely on American colonels" rather that
"they saw no need or use for American colonels" so ignored them or bypassed them

And why was that? The British as supreme commanders figured they knew best about military matters so wanted to remain in full control/command.


Your second question should really have been posted as another question but it is linked to the first so here goes.
They (The Brits) justified this as necessary and thus "reasonable" =logical "to the military mind" by saying that "the Americans know nothing about military matters, you know."
In other words, by bypassing the Americans they were tactfully (NOT!) saying that the Brits were superior in military matters. The American colonels couldn't be trusted to give orders so the Brits would continue to do so, even to the American units via their own officers.

Yvonne Gallagher
Ireland
Local time: 08:14
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 44
Grading comment
Thank you all for your variants! Yvonne's answer is most detailed.
I still can't translate correctly the second phrase so I've posted new question.

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Daryo
29 mins
  -> Many thanks:-)

neutral  Christopher Schröder: I think it's about confidence, not need. As for part 2, it's unclear but I would assume they had to be very tactful explaining it, they couldn't spell it out as in the quotation..
1 hr
  -> Well, I think they're seen as surplus to requirements, not about lack of confidence.

agree  Tony M: Absolutely! Correct interpretation of the expression; any nuances are given by the context.
1 hr
  -> Many thanks Tony

agree  Paul O'Brien
4 days
  -> Many thanks:-)
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