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Sep 26, 2022 13:20
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English term
shingle of sheets
English to French
Tech/Engineering
Mechanics / Mech Engineering
corrugator / corrugated board
Bonjour,
Sauriez-vous quel est l'équivalent français de "shingle" dans ce contexte (partie d'un corrugator) ?
Each stack is broken down into smaller sections called blocks and shingled individually to a feed table.
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The sheets are fed via a set of feed wheels that work in conjunction with feed rolls that insert the sheet in the machine.
[...]
The sheets are then shingled and loaded into a feed bed, where feed rolls insert the sheet in the machine.
Merci d'avance!
Camille
Sauriez-vous quel est l'équivalent français de "shingle" dans ce contexte (partie d'un corrugator) ?
Each stack is broken down into smaller sections called blocks and shingled individually to a feed table.
[...]
The sheets are fed via a set of feed wheels that work in conjunction with feed rolls that insert the sheet in the machine.
[...]
The sheets are then shingled and loaded into a feed bed, where feed rolls insert the sheet in the machine.
Merci d'avance!
Camille
Proposed translations
(French)
| 3 -1 | planche de feuilles |
Marie Christine Cramay
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Change log
Sep 26, 2022 14:07: C4mille changed "Field (write-in)" from "corrugator" to "corrugator / corrugated board"
Proposed translations
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Marie Christine Cramay
Italy
Italy
Native in French
Works in field
Italy
Technical, Law, Medicine
Native in: French (Variants: Luxembourgish, Standard-France, Belgian, Canadian, Swiss) 
Works in: Italian to French, English to French, Spanish to French, and 1 more.
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planche de feuilles
Declined
Parmi les synonymes de "bardeau", on trouve le terme "planche".
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Note added at 18 heures (2022-09-27 08:03:29 GMT)
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Verbe = mettre en planches.
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Note added at 18 heures (2022-09-27 08:03:29 GMT)
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Verbe = mettre en planches.
Peer comment(s):
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Daryo
: If you look at your own reference you'll find that "shingled sheets" as used in the ST means "sheets that have been individually placed on the feeding conveyer belt with an overlap between successive sheets"
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Reference comments
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Reference:
Pour une inspiration sur la fabrication
Avec le texte complet vous pourriez trouver quelques références utiles sur ce site:
https://www.jsrrollformer.com/fr/unite-de-fabrication-de-tol...
https://www.jsrrollformer.com/fr/unite-de-fabrication-de-tol...
Peer comments on this reference comment:
| neutral |
Daryo
: interesting reference, but this ST is about feeding individual sheets into the machine, not a continuous roll.
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Reference:
Process referred to in this patent
US3183816A - Card shingling device - Google Patents
https://patents.google.com › patent
We claim: 1. A device for supporting and maintaining a group of cards in a shingled arrangement comprising a member having a surface provided with a card ...
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It seems to be referring to the way of 'staggering' a pile of sheets so they will feed better. The same sort of thing we may do by hand when we want e.g. to count a sheaf of paper.
https://patents.google.com › patent
We claim: 1. A device for supporting and maintaining a group of cards in a shingled arrangement comprising a member having a surface provided with a card ...
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It seems to be referring to the way of 'staggering' a pile of sheets so they will feed better. The same sort of thing we may do by hand when we want e.g. to count a sheaf of paper.
Peer comments on this reference comment:
| agree |
Daryo
: That makes perfect sense - you do the same with a deck of cards to separate them / prevent cards from sticking to each other.
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Merci, Daryo ! Yes, I've counted enough paper as a printer to be familiar with this technique; and we had a 'jogger' to help separate the sheets, but not a shingler. But the analogy is obvious...
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Marie Christine Cramay
: See my references. The noun exists.
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I've never said a noun didn't exist: just that it doesn't appear in Asker's question, and in any case, your suggestion would not be an appropriate translation in this context.
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Marie Christine Cramay
Italy
Italy
Native in French
Works in field
Italy
Technical, Law, Medicine
Native in: French (Variants: Luxembourgish, Standard-France, Belgian, Canadian, Swiss)
Works in: Italian to French, English to French, Spanish to French, and 1 more.
Related KudoZ points
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42
Reference:
Shingle of sheets
https://www.google.com/search?q="shingle of sheets"&oq="shin...
7 résultats, mais l'expression existe bien.
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Note added at 17 heures (2022-09-27 07:05:27 GMT)
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... sheets are individually fed at the fixed line speed onto a first shingling conveyor which is operating below line speed to form a shingle of sheets.
https://patents.google.com/patent/EP0962414A2/en
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Note added at 17 heures (2022-09-27 07:06:46 GMT)
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Abstract
Certain parameters in a high speed order change in a corrugator, including a small gap between orders and the relative lengths of the old and new order sheets, require altered order change and discharge routines on the downstacker conveyor system in order to prevent edge butt between the last sheet of the old order and the first sheet of the new order. Alternate order change and order discharge routines, which are automatically implemented by the downstacker system controller, include accelerated movement of the old order shingle out of the downstacker vacuum conveyor to outrun the incoming first sheet of the new order or, altemately, allowing the first sheet of the new order to overrun the tail end of the old order and utilizing, if necessary, a device to divert the lead edge of the first new order sheet upwardly to allow the shingle to be reestablished.
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https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/shingled
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https://patents.google.com/patent/US8500121B1/en
BACKGROUND
Corrugated paperboard sheets produced on the dry end of a corrugator are typically shingled and then delivered to a downstacker bay where the sheets are squared in a uniform stack fed by a stacker infeed nip. The sheets exiting the nip and delivered to the stacker descend with the infeed of sheets until a stack of a desired number of sheets or height is achieved whereupon the stack is removed and the stack support is returned to a position adjacent the infeed nip.
Prior art stacker infeed nips have typically used a driven bottom roll and an idler top roll with a cushioning or zero crush cylindrical contact surface.
In stackers utilizing a single bottom drive roll for the infeed nip, “back slip” or shingle compression can occur, particularly if there are quality problems with the sheets being stacked. Back slip or shingle compression may result in the buildup of too much pressure in the nip and can result in product jam. Poor product quality may also cause a jam at the stacker infeed nip. When this occurs, cross machine direction slip of the sheets entering the stacker bay is also a problem.
7 résultats, mais l'expression existe bien.
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Note added at 17 heures (2022-09-27 07:05:27 GMT)
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... sheets are individually fed at the fixed line speed onto a first shingling conveyor which is operating below line speed to form a shingle of sheets.
https://patents.google.com/patent/EP0962414A2/en
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Note added at 17 heures (2022-09-27 07:06:46 GMT)
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Abstract
Certain parameters in a high speed order change in a corrugator, including a small gap between orders and the relative lengths of the old and new order sheets, require altered order change and discharge routines on the downstacker conveyor system in order to prevent edge butt between the last sheet of the old order and the first sheet of the new order. Alternate order change and order discharge routines, which are automatically implemented by the downstacker system controller, include accelerated movement of the old order shingle out of the downstacker vacuum conveyor to outrun the incoming first sheet of the new order or, altemately, allowing the first sheet of the new order to overrun the tail end of the old order and utilizing, if necessary, a device to divert the lead edge of the first new order sheet upwardly to allow the shingle to be reestablished.
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Note added at 18 heures (2022-09-27 07:20:53 GMT)
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https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/shingled
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Note added at 18 heures (2022-09-27 07:23:05 GMT)
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https://patents.google.com/patent/US8500121B1/en
BACKGROUND
Corrugated paperboard sheets produced on the dry end of a corrugator are typically shingled and then delivered to a downstacker bay where the sheets are squared in a uniform stack fed by a stacker infeed nip. The sheets exiting the nip and delivered to the stacker descend with the infeed of sheets until a stack of a desired number of sheets or height is achieved whereupon the stack is removed and the stack support is returned to a position adjacent the infeed nip.
Prior art stacker infeed nips have typically used a driven bottom roll and an idler top roll with a cushioning or zero crush cylindrical contact surface.
In stackers utilizing a single bottom drive roll for the infeed nip, “back slip” or shingle compression can occur, particularly if there are quality problems with the sheets being stacked. Back slip or shingle compression may result in the buildup of too much pressure in the nip and can result in product jam. Poor product quality may also cause a jam at the stacker infeed nip. When this occurs, cross machine direction slip of the sheets entering the stacker bay is also a problem.
Note from asker:
| Oui Marie Christine, ça m'a l'air d'être tout à fait ça ! |
Peer comments on this reference comment:
| disagree |
Daryo
: "shingle" as noun exists - no one is saying the opposite - but there is a small inconvenient fact: it's nowhere to be found in the quoted ST// Are we not supposed to translate the actual ST?
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Tony M
: As daryo says, no-one doubted the noune exsist; just that it does not figure in the question as asked!
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Discussion
I'll be back as soon as I've had time to go through the document in detail, document which does indeed seem to be worth considering.
I'll be back as soon as I've had time to go through the document in detail, document which does indeed seem to be worth considering.
I'll be back as soon as I've had time to go through the document in detail, document which does indeed seem to be worth considering.
https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/05/27/72/e0aaa66...
you'll find that "to shingle" sheets on a conveyer belt DOES NOT mean "making shingles of sheets" - two entirely different beasts.
IOW "to form a shingle of sheets, the sheets are shingled!" is an unfounded assumption (or an attempt at linguistic hocus pocus ...?)
a shingle of sheets = a "shingle" of cardboard made of several layers / "sheets"
to shingle sheets (on a conveyer belt) = place the individual sheets on a the conveyer belt with an overlap between each sheet and the next one (there is similar manipulation with playing cards, as per my first hunch).
IOW there is a nasty trap waiting the unaware - two very similar terms with two entirely different meanings in the same text.
[...]
The sheets are fed via a set of feed wheels that work in conjunction with feed rolls that insert the sheet in the machine.
[...]
The sheets are then shingled and loaded into a feed bed, where feed rolls insert the sheet in the machine.
all I can see is shingled, and as far my modest understanding of basic grammar (and sentence structures) goes the suffix "-ed" indicates that it's a verb.
There might be somewhere else an occurrence of "shingle[noun] of sheets" but then WHY would you quote as "relevant background information / context" a fragment of the ST where an entirely different term was used?
The working assumption is that you quote a fragment of the ST where the term asked was used, not some entirely different but similarly sounding term.
So far, we have as a relevant quote from the ST a text containing ONLY "shingled[verb]". So, if you insist that you need a translation for "shingle[noun] of sheets", where if the text where THAT term was used?
Here's the hocus pocus: to form a shingle of sheets, the sheets are shingled! (I thought it was obvious, so I just gave more context about the "shingling process"...sorry!)
Sorry, I thought the context I gave would explain better the concept of "shingle" (noun) than this sentence!
There is no linguistic hocus-pocus that could turn that occurrence of "shingle" into a noun.
If you have additional context where it is used differently, then you should give us that vital extra information too!