Jun 6, 2022 13:26
1 yr ago
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Italian term
Mignano
Italian to English
Art/Literary
Architecture
"Terra dell’olio, del vino e del Barocco, il giardino salentino è un paesaggio di ulivi drammaticamente feriti e di pietre millenarie e “gentili”, stordito dal canto delle cicale nelle notti calde d’estate; degli orti sul mare, di una perduta civiltà contadina; di riti ancestrali; di case a corte, mignani e ortali, sotto un’abbagliante luce meridiana".
Could the term "mignani" be translated by "roman balcony" or simply "balcony"?
Could the term "mignani" be translated by "roman balcony" or simply "balcony"?
Proposed translations
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| 4 -1 | Roman-style balcony |
Barbara Cochran, MFA
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References
| Loggia-like balcony? |
Barbara Carrara
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Proposed translations
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8 mins
Barbara Cochran, MFA
United States
United States
Native in English
United States
Laudable Lady Linguist
Native in: English 
Works in: Spanish to English, French to English, English to Spanish, and 3 more.
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Roman-style balcony
Typical of the kind found in Rome.
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Note added at 2 days 7 hrs (2022-06-08 20:49:00 GMT)
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https://www.wordsense.eu/mignano/
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Note added at 2 days 7 hrs (2022-06-08 20:49:00 GMT)
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https://www.wordsense.eu/mignano/
Peer comment(s):
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Cillie Swart
: seems plausible, thanks for sharing
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Thank you, Cillie.
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Barbara Carrara
: Nope. There is no such thing as a 'Roman-style balcony'. Any reliable references to corroborate your suggestion? / Pity the one in your ref. is not a 'mignano'...
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Yep, there is: https://www.istockphoto.com/photo/roman-style-window-balcony... that you didn't bother to look at the whole page. And since when is a "mignano" not a Roman style balcony, esp. when it's located elsewhere?
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bluenoric
: Sorry, but I agree with Barbara Carrara
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Reference comments
1 hr
Barbara Carrara
Italy
Italy
Native in Italian
Specializes in field
Italy
www.theitalianwordshop.com
Native in: Italian 
Works in: English to Italian, French to Italian, Italian
Related KudoZ points
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43
Reference:
Loggia-like balcony?
Also called 'bussolotto'.
Photographic reference:
https://www.romasparita.eu/foto-roma-sparita/54412/via-del-c...
'Eretto nel 1660 dall’architetto Giovanni Antonio de Rossi per la famiglia d’Aste di Albenga, è caratterizzato da un balcone coperto al primo piano, uno dei pochi superstiti a Roma, chiamati “bussolotti” o “mignani” (dal latino maeniānu(m), derivazione di Maenius, nome del censore che nel 338 a.C. fece costruire nel foro logge per assistere agli spettacoli).'
https://esploraromablog.com/2016/10/04/il-balcone-di-napoleo...
'Il palazzo presenta un’elegante architettura a tre piani con finestre a timpano, ed è caratterizzato da un balcone a loggia coperto all’angolo del primo piano, comunemente chiamato bussolotto o mignano, in cui amava ritirarsi Letizia Bonaparte per poter scorgere con lo sguardo, senza essere vista, tutta piazza Venezia.'
https://www.monnoroma.it/palazzobonaparte.html
'Famous is the original green balcony with walls and ceiling with floral decorations, also called "mignano" or "bussolotto", from which Letizia Bonaparte used to look at the comings and goings of the carriages and the lively city life.'
https://www.turismoroma.it/en/places/palazzo-bonaparte
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Note added at 23 hrs (2022-06-07 13:16:49 GMT)
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To add to my research (and incidentally, again about the palazzo Bonaparte, which further indicates how non-typical this balcony is), here is another excerpt mentioning said structure as a closed-in balcony, which better fits the description, IMHO.
'Loggia - Palazzo Bonaparte (Palais Bonaparte) - Rome
At the corner of the master floor of Palazzo Bonaparte is a closed-in balcony with a small loggia and shutters, at one time a favorable spot for watching processions in Vial [sic] del Corso and Piazza Venezia. Also known as the ‘bussolotto’, Letizia Bonaparte’s famous loggia was for her a small drawing room looking out over the world.'
https://www.akg-images.com/archive/-2UMEBMBN4VREX.html
Photographic reference:
https://www.romasparita.eu/foto-roma-sparita/54412/via-del-c...
'Eretto nel 1660 dall’architetto Giovanni Antonio de Rossi per la famiglia d’Aste di Albenga, è caratterizzato da un balcone coperto al primo piano, uno dei pochi superstiti a Roma, chiamati “bussolotti” o “mignani” (dal latino maeniānu(m), derivazione di Maenius, nome del censore che nel 338 a.C. fece costruire nel foro logge per assistere agli spettacoli).'
https://esploraromablog.com/2016/10/04/il-balcone-di-napoleo...
'Il palazzo presenta un’elegante architettura a tre piani con finestre a timpano, ed è caratterizzato da un balcone a loggia coperto all’angolo del primo piano, comunemente chiamato bussolotto o mignano, in cui amava ritirarsi Letizia Bonaparte per poter scorgere con lo sguardo, senza essere vista, tutta piazza Venezia.'
https://www.monnoroma.it/palazzobonaparte.html
'Famous is the original green balcony with walls and ceiling with floral decorations, also called "mignano" or "bussolotto", from which Letizia Bonaparte used to look at the comings and goings of the carriages and the lively city life.'
https://www.turismoroma.it/en/places/palazzo-bonaparte
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Note added at 23 hrs (2022-06-07 13:16:49 GMT)
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To add to my research (and incidentally, again about the palazzo Bonaparte, which further indicates how non-typical this balcony is), here is another excerpt mentioning said structure as a closed-in balcony, which better fits the description, IMHO.
'Loggia - Palazzo Bonaparte (Palais Bonaparte) - Rome
At the corner of the master floor of Palazzo Bonaparte is a closed-in balcony with a small loggia and shutters, at one time a favorable spot for watching processions in Vial [sic] del Corso and Piazza Venezia. Also known as the ‘bussolotto’, Letizia Bonaparte’s famous loggia was for her a small drawing room looking out over the world.'
https://www.akg-images.com/archive/-2UMEBMBN4VREX.html
Peer comments on this reference comment:
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writeaway
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Thank you kindly, writeaway
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Rachel Fell
42 mins
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Thank you kindly, Rachel
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Barbara Cochran, MFA
: There is a difference between balconies and loggias. So it wouldn't be a "loggia-like balcony" : https://homemaster.desigusxpro.com/en/balkon-i-lodzhiya-v-ch... wow, imagine that!
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Is this the amount of research you did to prove me wrong and support your disagree? Wow...
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P.L.F. Persio
2 days 1 hr
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Ma grazie, prelibatezza mattutina (ore 6:50 dalle mie parti).
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Discussion
or here at page 98 http://lib.tkk.fi/Lic/2009/isbn9789512298846.pdf
It is true that the name comes from Ancient Rome, but the mignano developed over centuries and it is typical of the Salento region.
To me it looks more like a terrace, and I would suggest to leave it in original (with an explanation, if possible)