Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
hors état
English translation:
unfit /unfit for purpose
Added to glossary by
B D Finch
Aug 14, 2015 09:32
8 yrs ago
French term
France
hors état
French to English
Tech/Engineering
Transport / Transportation / Shipping
Maritime survey report - container ship
This comes at the end of a description of cell guide fixings which are said to be:
A ce niveau, la superstructure avant de maintien des glissières est, dans sa partie inférieure, fortement corrodée, hors état.
Les superstructures métalliques de fixation des glissières sont fortement corrodées, hors état.
I have been able to find a direct translation in a similar context and would be tempted to go with 'unsound'. Anyone out there come across this before?
All help gratefully received.
A ce niveau, la superstructure avant de maintien des glissières est, dans sa partie inférieure, fortement corrodée, hors état.
Les superstructures métalliques de fixation des glissières sont fortement corrodées, hors état.
I have been able to find a direct translation in a similar context and would be tempted to go with 'unsound'. Anyone out there come across this before?
All help gratefully received.
Proposed translations
(English)
| 4 +6 | unfit |
B D Finch
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| 4 +1 | in poor condition |
Ana Vozone
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| 4 | unserviceable |
claude-andrew
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| 4 | unsuited/unsuitable for use |
Ariane Leverett
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Change log
Aug 25, 2015 07:29: B D Finch Created KOG entry
Proposed translations
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unfit
standard-club.com/media/23964/15056CargoJan2011Bulletinv06.pdfface " ... loose bulkhead or tank top rust scale increased by damage from. • grabs or cargo .... cargo, and a day later, the grain surveyor again found the holds unfit to carry cargo."
www.ems-shipsupply.com/data/...ship...hold.../ArtcileStromm... shipping industry is cleaning holds between ... The holds are declared unfit for loading if any residue ...
www.ems-shipsupply.com/data/...ship...hold.../ArtcileStromm... shipping industry is cleaning holds between ... The holds are declared unfit for loading if any residue ...
Peer comment(s):
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philgoddard
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Thanks Phil
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writeaway
: many possibilities. this is just one of them.
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Thanks writeaway.
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Nikki Scott-Despaigne
: Or even, "unfit for their purpose", if the sentence feels better with that tagged on at the end.//Depending on how one choses to fit it into the sentence. Covers the nature of the condition and the fact it cannot be used.
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Thanks Nikki. The standard phrase is "unfit for purpose".
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claude-andrew
: more or less the same meaning as my answer
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Thanks claude-andrew
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Ariane Leverett
: I think you could even use an "unfit state"
10 hrs
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Thanks Ariane. See Nikki's Discussion comment.
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MatthewLaSon
2 days 7 hrs
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Thanks Matthew
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Many thanks!"
+1
36 mins
Ana Vozone
Works in field
Will do!
Native in: Portuguese (Variant: European/Portugal) 
Works in: English to Portuguese, French to Portuguese, German to Portuguese, and 1 more.
in poor condition
Peer comment(s):
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Nikki Scott-Despaigne
: This is a 75% agree, as an element can be in poor condition and yet still usable.
1 day 35 mins
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loveli307
1 day 49 mins
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Many thanks, loveli307!
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claude-andrew
France
France
Native in English
Specializes in field
France
Bilingual scientist English French
Native in: English
Works in: English to French, French to English, English
Related KudoZ points
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10
unserviceable
See web ref.
10 hrs
Ariane Leverett
Belgium
Belgium
Native in French
&
English
Works in field
Belgium
Reliable. Professional. Available.
Native in: English (Variants: US, UK) 
, French (Variants: Standard-France, Canadian)
Works in: French to English, Spanish to English
unsuited/unsuitable for use
This is simply an alternative to B D Finch's answer with a similar meaning and contextual fit.
Peer comment(s):
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Nikki Scott-Despaigne
: Unsuited/unsuitable = not the correct choice for a particular purpose. In other words, an element can be in perfect condition, yet unsuited/-able. In the original, the element is in poor condition. This feature is not covneyed in this suggestion.
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Discussion
An element which is in poor condition is "en mauvais état". It is tending towards being "hors état", or may already be so.
A piece is "hors état" when it can no longer be used for its intended purpose as it is broken, in a poor state of repair, or damaged in some way or another.
A simple enough term on the face of it, but one with which you have to be careful.
If anyone reads this differently, then do go ahead and comment, disagree, or otherwise qualify, of course!