Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
vérification de l'imperdabilité
English translation:
check that nothing has been lost / gone missing / been left behind
Added to glossary by
Tony M
Feb 2, 2015 12:59
9 yrs ago
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French term
France
Accuracy, Ability, Availability
Native in: French
Works in: English to French, French to English, Spanish to French, and 3 more.
imperdabilité
French to English
Tech/Engineering
Energy / Power Generation
"Vérification de l'imperdabilité au retour du site".
From an inspection list.
That is to say - The equipment is inspected to make sure that no part was lost or left inside the site.
I am looking for a substantive if possible.
I understand it also implies that
captive screws anti-loss washers, loss-proof tools are used.
Thank you in advance Jean-Luc
From an inspection list.
That is to say - The equipment is inspected to make sure that no part was lost or left inside the site.
I am looking for a substantive if possible.
I understand it also implies that
captive screws anti-loss washers, loss-proof tools are used.
Thank you in advance Jean-Luc
Proposed translations
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Change log
Feb 16, 2015 07:16: Tony M Created KOG entry
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French term (edited):
vérification de l'imperdabilité
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check that nothing has been lost / gone missing / been left behind
Although this may sound a little informal, I think you would be better off looking for a solution more along these lines.
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That's one way to work it round an active verb! No subject needed, and the object becomes a verb group itself ;-)
I don't quite get the notion of 'imperdabilité' — that suggests rather the 'inability of something to get lost' — but that doesn't seem to be what you are describing? Or is it really more a case of 'check that nothing will be able to be lost'?
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That's one way to work it round an active verb! No subject needed, and the object becomes a verb group itself ;-)
I don't quite get the notion of 'imperdabilité' — that suggests rather the 'inability of something to get lost' — but that doesn't seem to be what you are describing? Or is it really more a case of 'check that nothing will be able to be lost'?
Note from asker:
| The usual meaning would be : 'check that nothing will be able to be lost', but here since it is after the return from the site, it is to verify that indeed nothing got lost or is missing. |
Peer comment(s):
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Nils Andersson
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Thanks, Nils!
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philgoddard
: It's possible that Jean-Luc is looking for a noun because this can be said more concisely in French. If this is a checklist and the English looks too long, you could just say "Check nothing left behind".
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Thanks, Phil! Yes, we need to know exactly how it is being used; I had assumed it was a list item, but as you say, it can readily be shortened.
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EirTranslations
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¡Gracias, Bea!
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B D Finch
: Unfortunately, one cannot translate this as "losslessness", a word that it would be nice to use more often, but no: this is yet another place it wouldn't do.
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Thanks, B! :-)
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Didier Fourcot
: Precise meaning here from context, but Imperdabilité rather means "nothing CAN be lost" (just for glossary consistency)
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Merci, Didier ! Yes, it was exactly that which was slightly bothering me...
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Simo Blom
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Thanks, Simo!
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Comment: "Selected automatically based on peer agreement."
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Abdelbaki Boukheit
Algeria
Algeria
Native in French
Specializes in field
Algeria
Professional, USA university graduate
Native in: French
Works in: English to French, French to English
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no loss
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Terry Richards
France
France
Native in English
Works in field
France
30 years in IT, Engineering degree.
Native in: English (Variants: British, UK, US) 
Works in: French to English, English
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presence check
One option - turn it around and get rid of the negative.
Personally, I would go with Tony's suggestion and use a verb!
Personally, I would go with Tony's suggestion and use a verb!
Note from asker:
| Not a bad idea! I was just thinking about somthing like Equipment integrity check. |
Peer comment(s):
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Tony M
: Good option! And yes, we always found when we checked the idiots, we always had at least as many as we started with (if not more!)
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philgoddard
: I don't think this conveys a clear meaning - presence of what?
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integrity
Suggestion
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Jennifer Levey
Chile
Chile
Native in English
Specializes in field
Chile
Human-scale Globalization
Native in: English (Variant: British)
Works in: Spanish to English, French to English, English to Spanish, and 2 more.
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gossypiboma
By analogy with the usual procedure in the medical world:
Surgical count - Great Ormond Street Hospital
www.gosh.nhs.uk › Health professionals › Clinical guidelines
An initial full surgical count must be completed prior to the surgery ... Swabs should be left in full view of the surgeon carrying out the procedure at all times (Rationale 14). ... after a re-count and the search has been completed, the patient must have a plain ... Rationale 23: To prevent retaining a foriegn body in the wound.
Retained surgical instruments - Wikipedia, the free ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retained_surgical_instruments
Additionally, the Patient Safety Monitor Alert, announced in 2003 that 1,500 tools were ... Gossypiboma is the official name for a retained sponge/towel after surgery. ... The following techniques have been put into practice to prevent gossypiboma. ... Surgical tools left in the body can puncture vital organs and blood vessels, ...
Same idea, diferent context:
'I counted them all out, and I counted them all back' (the late Brian Hanrahan, 1982).
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-12039283
Surgical count - Great Ormond Street Hospital
www.gosh.nhs.uk › Health professionals › Clinical guidelines
An initial full surgical count must be completed prior to the surgery ... Swabs should be left in full view of the surgeon carrying out the procedure at all times (Rationale 14). ... after a re-count and the search has been completed, the patient must have a plain ... Rationale 23: To prevent retaining a foriegn body in the wound.
Retained surgical instruments - Wikipedia, the free ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retained_surgical_instruments
Additionally, the Patient Safety Monitor Alert, announced in 2003 that 1,500 tools were ... Gossypiboma is the official name for a retained sponge/towel after surgery. ... The following techniques have been put into practice to prevent gossypiboma. ... Surgical tools left in the body can puncture vital organs and blood vessels, ...
Same idea, diferent context:
'I counted them all out, and I counted them all back' (the late Brian Hanrahan, 1982).
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-12039283
Peer comment(s):
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Daryo
: interesting word, but it's the wrong way round: gossypiboma is not about the patient's body not losing any bits (missing fingers etc) that should be there, it's about additional bits (retained sponge/towel, surgical tools) that shouldn't be in the body.
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Tony M
: In fact, Daryo, I think that's exactly what is being referred to here: "if we are missing a screwdriver, it may have been left inside the nuclear reactor!" — you check you've got everything, in order to make sure nothing has been left behind.
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French term (edited):
imperdabilité (de l'équipement)
hardware integrity /completeness
by analogy with the human body integrity
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Note added at 22 hrs (2015-02-03 11:34:40 GMT)
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Contrôle d’imperdabilité des équipements introduits dans les GV
Les inspecteurs ont examiné la surveillance du CIPN lors de la réalisation des phases de contrôle d’imperdabilité des équipements introduits dans les GV. Les inspecteurs ont donc consulté les procès-verbaux d’imperdabilité et ont constaté deux écarts :
- Le PV d’imperdabilité d’un adaptateur vapeur (réf. WEF-14-ASCA-BUG5-PV-202) indique pour l’état initial la présence d’un écrou, d’une extrémité de l’adaptateur en résine Derlin et la non-présence d’un anneau plastique. Le PV indique pour l’état final la présence de l’écrou, de l’extrémité Delrin et de l’anneau plastique. Ces constats ne sont pas cohérents,
- Le PV d’imperdabilité d’un adaptateur vapeur (réf. WEF-14-ASCA-BUG5-PV-302) indique pour l’état initial la présence d’un écrou, d’une extrémité Delrin et la non-présence d’un anneau plastique. Le PV n’est pas renseigné pour l’état final ce qui ne permet pas d’attester la présence de toutes les pièces après intervention.
Ces deux PV ont été visés par l’opérateur et le contrôleur technique du prestataire et validé conforme par le client à savoir EDF/CIPN. Ces constats montrent une surveillance insuffisante de la part du CIPN.
Demande A3 : je vous demande de porter une vigilance accrue lors de la surveillance des phases de contrôle d’imperdabilité des équipements introduits dans les GV.
http://www.asn.fr/Controler/Actualites-du-controle/Lettres-d...
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Note added at 1 day34 mins (2015-02-03 13:34:05 GMT)
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hardware completeness
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Note added at 22 hrs (2015-02-03 11:34:40 GMT)
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Contrôle d’imperdabilité des équipements introduits dans les GV
Les inspecteurs ont examiné la surveillance du CIPN lors de la réalisation des phases de contrôle d’imperdabilité des équipements introduits dans les GV. Les inspecteurs ont donc consulté les procès-verbaux d’imperdabilité et ont constaté deux écarts :
- Le PV d’imperdabilité d’un adaptateur vapeur (réf. WEF-14-ASCA-BUG5-PV-202) indique pour l’état initial la présence d’un écrou, d’une extrémité de l’adaptateur en résine Derlin et la non-présence d’un anneau plastique. Le PV indique pour l’état final la présence de l’écrou, de l’extrémité Delrin et de l’anneau plastique. Ces constats ne sont pas cohérents,
- Le PV d’imperdabilité d’un adaptateur vapeur (réf. WEF-14-ASCA-BUG5-PV-302) indique pour l’état initial la présence d’un écrou, d’une extrémité Delrin et la non-présence d’un anneau plastique. Le PV n’est pas renseigné pour l’état final ce qui ne permet pas d’attester la présence de toutes les pièces après intervention.
Ces deux PV ont été visés par l’opérateur et le contrôleur technique du prestataire et validé conforme par le client à savoir EDF/CIPN. Ces constats montrent une surveillance insuffisante de la part du CIPN.
Demande A3 : je vous demande de porter une vigilance accrue lors de la surveillance des phases de contrôle d’imperdabilité des équipements introduits dans les GV.
http://www.asn.fr/Controler/Actualites-du-controle/Lettres-d...
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Note added at 1 day34 mins (2015-02-03 13:34:05 GMT)
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hardware completeness
Discussion
I do sense that Gallic reeking ;-) and understand that a verbal construction would be more natural in English. But I do not have a subject for a verb nor a noun for an adjective...
I think that is not probably going to lead to a very natural-sounding solution in EN; it always reeks of a translation from FR when we see 'the [substantive] of [something]', whereas an active verb usually leads to a moch more natural construction in EN.