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Glossary entry

Italian term or phrase:

medico specializzato

English translation:

Specialist

Added to glossary by Emilia De Paola
Jun 17, 2010 13:07
13 yrs ago
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Italian term

medico specializzato

Italian to English Other Certificates, Diplomas, Licenses, CVs
.....di cui al punto 5.1.2. "Titoli di formazione di medico specializzato"ed al titolo....."Denominazioni delle formazioni mediche specializzate" della succitata Direttiva.

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Proposed translations (English)
4 +3 Specialist
4 specialist
4 MD or PhD, depending on whether first or second specializzazione
4 -1 Specialized Physician/ Doctor
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Discussion

S E (X) Jun 18, 2010:
MD = medico specializzato Hi, MD would, if I'm not mistaken, be an American English equivalent for medico specializzato -- see the second-to-last note in my answer below or, for the sake of convenience, here:

http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicina

"Per quanto riguarda le specializzazioni, negli Stati Uniti si chiamano M.D.s., dopo il bachelor e la scuola medica, esse possono durare da tre fino a sette anni."
S E (X) Jun 18, 2010:
diploma di specializzazione is a degree :-) According to the regulations set by the Bologna Process in 1999 for pan-European equivalence in higher education, the "diploma di specializzazione" is in fact a degree. Follow this link for an English-language chart explaining the three levels of higher ed. in Italy -- scroll down, as the chart is at the very bottom of the page.

http://www.wes.org/ewenr/04jan/Feature.htm
Paul O'Brien Jun 18, 2010:
For it to be an MA or a PhD it would need the "equipollenza". But to become a consultant you don't need anything other than a degreee in medicine, specialist training, enrolment on the specialist register, years of experience and, preferably, a "foot in".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consultant_(medicine)
S E (X) Jun 18, 2010:
holder of formal academic title = degree holder? But if you have a formal academic title, doesn't that mean you have a degree corresponding to that title? Are there formal academic titles that don't correspond to degrees? I don't at all think that this level of Italian education is equivalent to something like certification, because, for example, in the humanistic fields you have to write a scholarly thesis before it is awarded. And all Italian corsi di specializzazione are Cycle Three (Bologna Process) in the academic hierarchy, whether medical or humanistic.

It seems unlikely to me that the specializzazione could be classified/categorized alongside the MA and the PhD (which it is) and NOT be a degree.
Paul O'Brien Jun 18, 2010:
I agree on the postgrad training, but I don't see that this is synonymous with a "degree" either in Italy or elsewhere.
S E (X) Jun 18, 2010:
it's a conferred title, though To be awarded the specializzazione and become specializzato or a specialista, one must follow a formalized, post-laureate couse of study: upon completion the formal academic title of specializzato/specilista is conferred. The Bologna Process assigns the "specializzazione" to the "third cycle" of academic training, the third cycle also contains the Doctorate and the MA.

Re. medicine, what it says is actually that upon completion of the formal course of study/training (specializzazione,) the candidate is awarded the formal title of specialist. I guess I don't see that a medical doctor in Italy can claim to be a specialist without having completed the specializzazione in the speciality field and taking this formal title. I looked at Uni Bologna for info. because it is a superlative, leading Italian/Internat'l med school.

In your wikipedia citation, "climbing up the ranks" to consultatant-status without the required specialist training is allowed only in the case of truly extraordinary individuals, and as such is an exception to the rule. It doesn't say that the rise is facilitated by post-grad training, but that as a rule such training is requisite.
Paul O'Brien Jun 18, 2010:
you need formal specialist training and practice. not a degree. as it says, if you are an academic your rise up the ranks towards consultant can be facilitated, but it isn't necessary to have postgraduate degrees. similarly, the italian "specializzazione" is not a degree. it's a "specializzazione". to becoome a teacher in, say, england, you need a postgraduate diploma in education, which is not a degree. not every postgraduate course is a degree, is wyat i mean.
S E (X) Jun 18, 2010:
are we talking about different things? Hi -- but the specializzazione <<is>> a degree. On completion of study for the specializzazione, a formal title is conferred.

It's as much a degree as an MA is a degree, or a doctorate is a degree. These are all degrees -- degrees of degrees, but all degrees. :-) Referring to degrees of official, formal training, if you will.

In Italy, the laurea, the specializzazione, and the dottorato di ricerca are the degrees of degrees.

Sorry if I am misunderstanding you somehow, but the specializzazione is a degree and someone "specializzato" is someone who has taken that post-laureate degree.

Since the context em'y 2 provides refers to formal, academic titles (titoli di formazione) of "medico specializzato, and "specializzato" is an Italian academic title, I'm afraid I'm not sure where the information about not needing a degree to be specialized in the UK, etc. comes in. Again, sorry if I am missing something here. :-\
Paul O'Brien Jun 18, 2010:
excellent. all i'm saying is that that isn't a degree as such. even to climb up the ranks in the english speaking world i don't think you need any specialist degrees. for example (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consultant_(medicine)):

"In the United Kingdom, Republic of Ireland, and parts of the Commonwealth, consultant is the title of a senior doctor who has completed all of his or her specialist training and been placed on the specialist register in their chosen specialty.

A doctor must be on the Specialist Register before he or she may be employed as a substantive consultant in the National Health Service. This usually entails holding a Certificate of Completion of Training in any of the recognised specialties, but academics with substantial publications and international reputation may be exempted from this requirement, in the expectation that they will practice at a tertiary level. "Locum consultant" appointments of limited duration may be given to those with clinical experience, with or without higher qualifications".
S E (X) Jun 18, 2010:
"specializzato" = person w/ specializzazione From Uni Bologna:

First, def. of the Scuole di Specializzazione:

La Scuola di Specializzazione rappresenta un percorso professionalizzante post-lauream che ha l’obiettivo di fornire conoscenze e abilità per lo svolgimento di funzioni altamente qualificate, richieste per l’esercizio di particolari attività professionali (D.M. 270/2004).

Then, explanation of how the title "specializzato is conferred in medicine:

Scuole di Specializzazione della Facoltà di Medicina e Chirurgia

"Le Scuole di Specializzazione medico-chirurgiche sono corsi ufficiali universitari che hanno lo scopo di formare medici specialisti nell’area medica. Al termine del percorso formativo viene rilasciato il titolo di specialista nel settore prescelto."

http://www.unibo.it/Portale/Offerta formativa/Scuole di spec...
Emilia De Paola (asker) Jun 17, 2010:
Hi Pauley, non dice in cosa. Si tratta di una dicitura legale. "Titoli di formazione di medico specializzato"
Quanto a specialized leggevo su Word Reference:
Interestingly, in English we use the verb (to specialize) intransitively, never (I believe...) transitively. Hence the past participle "specialized" is certainly either wrong or not natural.
Paul O'Brien Jun 17, 2010:
specialising in what?

Proposed translations

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Selected

Specialist

Specialist: a physician whose practice is limited to a particular branch of medicine or surgery, especially one who is certified by a board of physicians.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/specialist

Not a consultant, which is someone much higher up.
Peer comment(s):
agree Simona Vairo
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agree Mr Murray (X) : although in this case I'd leave the adjective 'medical' in front of 'specialist' - only because it seems to be part of a publication title/heading
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Don't agree. Is a capitulation to the original Italian.
agree texjax DDS PhD : With Mr. Murray. Hi Paul, long time no see. How are you doing?
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Hi TexBabe. Long time no see to be sure. But I don't agree in this case: it's a capitulation to the original Italian.
agree filippoc : don't need to specify "medical", when you say specialist, it's definitely a physician. It's not ambivalent like "doctor" as you can be a doctor is different disciplines...my opinion...
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Mine too.
disagree S E (X) : But translation refs to degree TITLES, and degree titles for a medico specializzato would be something like MD or PhD. The med. specializzazione IS the specialization part of the med school degree! Can't seem to specialize in Italy w/o one.
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Don't agree. He can't be an MD or a PhD without the "equipollenza". Plus neither a specialist nor a consultant needs any degree other than one in medicine.
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Specialized Physician/ Doctor

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Peer comment(s):
disagree S E (X) : It's not that the doctor would not be specialized but that what appears to be asked for in this translation is a degree title, and the degree title for a medico specializzato would be something like an MD or PhD (per the Bologna Process).
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specialist

I agree with a previous answer to leave out medico, not needed. I would just use specialista. I contacted a few friends in Italy and they have said Specialista on its own. Doctors who have undertaken further study and concentrated on another field of medicine. Cardiology, dermatology etc.
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MD or PhD, depending on whether first or second specializzazione

"Specializzato" here refers to someone who has completed a specializzazione degree; the translation text seems to specifically refer to degree titles for "medico specializzato."

A specializzazione is a Italian post-graduate degree, either on the second level post-laurea or the third level post-laurea, depending on previous degrees.

The academic title of a medico specializzato would be something like an MD or a PhD, again, depending on whether its the first or second specializzazione of the degree holder.

For the use of "specializzato" to refer to someone with a specializzazione in the medical field, see for example:

"La specializzazione dovrebbe formare il medico al fine di poter operare in un campo specifico con un parte teorica ma anche un buona parte pratica...in modo da mettere lo specializzato in condizioni di poter operare in modo autonomo."

http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scuola_di_specializzazione

For the degree status of the Italian specializzazione, see:

http://www.wes.org/ewenr/04jan/Feature.htm
(scroll down to bottom of page for chart explaining Italian higher ed. and corroborating what I have written above)

According to the standards set by the Bologna Process, the specializzazione can be taken in either Cycle One or Cycle Two or both.

Cycle one = BA; Cycle two = MA; Cycle three = PhD

The Bologna Process European Higher Ed reforms are about establishing "easily readable and comparable degrees organised in a three-cycle structure (e.g. bachelor-master-doctorate)"

See also this section of the official Bologna Process website:

http://www.ond.vlaanderen.be/hogeronderwijs/bologna/about/

For the use of "MD" as a translation of the title of the "medico specializzato", see "La formazione dei medici" here:

http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicina

Here is the quote: "Per quanto riguarda le specializzazioni, negli Stati Uniti si chiamano M.D.s., dopo il bachelor e la scuola medica, esse possono durare da tre fino a sette anni."






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