Feb 6, 2007 09:10
17 yrs ago
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Veni Vidi Vici
Native in: Russian 
, Ukrainian
Works in: Russian to English, English to Russian, Ukrainian to English, and 5 more.
large (?) length, large (?) height
English
Tech/Engineering
Metallurgy / Casting
I believe that use of the word "large" is not appropriate here.
Can someone tell me the right word ?
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The heating ducts are connected to the flue gas exhauster, which is used to remove the flue gas, which is a product of the heating gas burning, from the heating ducts. Preferably, the heating ducts are made of a ***large length *** (up to 25 meters) to ensure effective utilization of the heat produced by burning the heating gas. Thus, a ***large height*** of the fire-resistant chamber made in the form of a vertical tower ensures the desired hydrostatic pressure at the bottom of a coke cake – up to 0.2 kgf/cm2 to form a solid-coke body.
Can someone tell me the right word ?
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The heating ducts are connected to the flue gas exhauster, which is used to remove the flue gas, which is a product of the heating gas burning, from the heating ducts. Preferably, the heating ducts are made of a ***large length *** (up to 25 meters) to ensure effective utilization of the heat produced by burning the heating gas. Thus, a ***large height*** of the fire-resistant chamber made in the form of a vertical tower ensures the desired hydrostatic pressure at the bottom of a coke cake – up to 0.2 kgf/cm2 to form a solid-coke body.
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+6
25 mins
Selected
reword
It appears to me that the intended meaning is that the ducts or chamber must be sufficiently long or sufficiently high to achieve the intended objective.
Here I would suggest 'the heating ducts are preferably made long enough (preferably 25 m)...' and 'the height of the chamber,...'.
For the second part, it would be better to say 'The high chamber... thus ensures...'.
The original wording of the first part (with the ducts) suggests that the ducts are to be made from long sections of pipe or whatever, which IMO is not the intended meaning. Length is an abstract quantity in English, so it sounds unnatural to say that something is 'made of a large length' when what you mean is that it is made to be relatively long. This is further confusing because 'length' can also be used in a concrete sense, such as 'a length of pipe', which means a piece of pipe of certain (unstated) length.
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Note added at 27 mins (2007-02-06 09:38:01 GMT)
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Oops, make that 'the heating ducts are preferably made long enough (up to 25 m) or 'are preferably made relatively long'.
Here I would suggest 'the heating ducts are preferably made long enough (preferably 25 m)...' and 'the height of the chamber,...'.
For the second part, it would be better to say 'The high chamber... thus ensures...'.
The original wording of the first part (with the ducts) suggests that the ducts are to be made from long sections of pipe or whatever, which IMO is not the intended meaning. Length is an abstract quantity in English, so it sounds unnatural to say that something is 'made of a large length' when what you mean is that it is made to be relatively long. This is further confusing because 'length' can also be used in a concrete sense, such as 'a length of pipe', which means a piece of pipe of certain (unstated) length.
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Note added at 27 mins (2007-02-06 09:38:01 GMT)
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Oops, make that 'the heating ducts are preferably made long enough (up to 25 m) or 'are preferably made relatively long'.
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Selected automatically based on peer agreement."
2 mins
Ioanna Karamanou
United States
United States
Native in English
&
English
United States
Native in: English , Greek
Works in: Greek to English, English to Greek, English, and 5 more.
long, tall
long length, tall height
7 mins
Marie-Hélène Hayles
Native in English
&
English
medicine - chemistry - pharmaceuticals
Native in: English
Works in: Italian to English, English
length, height(see below)
Personally, I'd change the wording as follows:
"Preferably, the heating ducts are of a length (up to 25 metres) sufficient to..."
"Thus, the height of the fire-resistant chamber..."
In the second sentence, "tall" is redundant - the use of "height" on its own conveys the desired meaning.
"Preferably, the heating ducts are of a length (up to 25 metres) sufficient to..."
"Thus, the height of the fire-resistant chamber..."
In the second sentence, "tall" is redundant - the use of "height" on its own conveys the desired meaning.
7 mins
Shera Lyn Parpia
Italy
Italy
Native in English
&
English
Italy
translating meaning, not just words
Native in: English 
Works in: English to Italian, Italian to English, English
maximum length, height
You're right, it doesn't make sense.
maximum would aoply to the first term, whereas you might use the second on its own dropping the "large".
maximum would aoply to the first term, whereas you might use the second on its own dropping the "large".
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19 mins
See comments below...
You're right, Alex, "large" sits uncomfortably here. "great" would be better, except that it sound slightly silly in this register. "considerable" and "significant" are intensifiers that might work, but again, neither quite conveys the right meaning here.
I think your best solution would be to turn the wording round (it could do with it anyway!) to say something like "...as long as feasible/possible), or else "..the greater the length, the better, up to...) or "The heating ducts should preferably be as long as possible"
For the second one, it really needs completely rewording again, something like: "The fire-resistant chamber is constructed in the form of a vertical tower of significant height, so that..." (actually, I'd have said "height:width ratio" if I'd been writing this!)
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Note added at 2 hrs (2007-02-06 12:03:00 GMT)
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Mara's suggestion of "extensive" set me thinking; my first reaction as an ENS was simply that it "didn't sound right", but KudoZ is always a good place for me to find my assumptions about my own native language challenged, and it's a salutory exercise to stop and think why, so I did a bit of Googling for "extensive length" to see where and how it is being used perfectly correctly. Here are just a few examples I found:
in specialist scientific usage: extensive length polymorphism
"going to extensive lengths" — "lengths" being a noun with a special meaning
"a book of extensive length" — "length" here being almost abstract, not referring to its physical size (test: could you call it "lengthy"?)
"an extensive length of piping" — here it is referring to a section of piping, and not the physical characteristic of its linear dimension (test: could you replace it with another word like piece, section, etc.)
...and I stopped there, because it was coffee-time!
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Note added at 2 hrs (2007-02-06 12:04:24 GMT)
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Oh, I forgot examples like "extensive length availability", where "extensive" is in fact qualifying "availability" and not "length"
I think your best solution would be to turn the wording round (it could do with it anyway!) to say something like "...as long as feasible/possible), or else "..the greater the length, the better, up to...) or "The heating ducts should preferably be as long as possible"
For the second one, it really needs completely rewording again, something like: "The fire-resistant chamber is constructed in the form of a vertical tower of significant height, so that..." (actually, I'd have said "height:width ratio" if I'd been writing this!)
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Note added at 2 hrs (2007-02-06 12:03:00 GMT)
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Mara's suggestion of "extensive" set me thinking; my first reaction as an ENS was simply that it "didn't sound right", but KudoZ is always a good place for me to find my assumptions about my own native language challenged, and it's a salutory exercise to stop and think why, so I did a bit of Googling for "extensive length" to see where and how it is being used perfectly correctly. Here are just a few examples I found:
in specialist scientific usage: extensive length polymorphism
"going to extensive lengths" — "lengths" being a noun with a special meaning
"a book of extensive length" — "length" here being almost abstract, not referring to its physical size (test: could you call it "lengthy"?)
"an extensive length of piping" — here it is referring to a section of piping, and not the physical characteristic of its linear dimension (test: could you replace it with another word like piece, section, etc.)
...and I stopped there, because it was coffee-time!
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Note added at 2 hrs (2007-02-06 12:04:24 GMT)
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Oh, I forgot examples like "extensive length availability", where "extensive" is in fact qualifying "availability" and not "length"
Peer comment(s):
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Paula Vaz-Carreiro
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Thanks, Paula!
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Vicky Papaprodromou
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Efharisto, Vicky!
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+1
4 hrs
the long heating ducts (...metres) / a high fire-resistant chamber
Simply rephrase.
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Note added at 4 hrs (2007-02-06 14:04:39 GMT)
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The heating ducts are connected to the flue gas exhauster, which is used to remove the flue gas, which is a product of the heating gas burning, from the heating ducts. Preferably, the heating ducts are ***long*** (up to 25 meters) to ensure effective utilization of the heat produced by burning the heating gas. Thus, a ***high*** fire-resistant chamber made in the form of a vertical tower ensures the desired hydrostatic pressure at the bottom of a coke cake – up to 0.2 kgf/cm2 to form a solid-coke body.
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Note added at 4 hrs (2007-02-06 14:04:39 GMT)
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The heating ducts are connected to the flue gas exhauster, which is used to remove the flue gas, which is a product of the heating gas burning, from the heating ducts. Preferably, the heating ducts are ***long*** (up to 25 meters) to ensure effective utilization of the heat produced by burning the heating gas. Thus, a ***high*** fire-resistant chamber made in the form of a vertical tower ensures the desired hydrostatic pressure at the bottom of a coke cake – up to 0.2 kgf/cm2 to form a solid-coke body.
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