Escuela Fiscomisional

English translation: Fiscommissional School

23:09 Feb 21, 2024
Spanish to English translations [PRO]
Education / Pedagogy / Research paper about teaching in Ecuador
Spanish term or phrase: Escuela Fiscomisional
Hi, could anyone tell me whether there is a term in English for this, or whether you would leave the "fiscomisional" part untranslated? I found the following description that explains what these schools are, but I'm not sure if there's an equivalent English term I could use:

"¿Cuáles son las instituciones fiscomisionales?

Las instituciones educativas fiscomisionales son aquellos establecimientos educativos de derecho privado que cuentan con un apoyo del gobierno para brindar un servicio educativo complementario al del Estado ecuatoriano; estas dependen técnica, administrativa y financieramente de alguna entidad promotora, sin ánimo de lucro, misional o laica, que asuma de manera directa o indirecta y bajo su responsabilidad, los costos de creación y operación de la institución educativa.

Estas instituciones deben garantizar que su servicio sea prestado de forma gratuita, al menos, para todos los estudiantes que pertenezcan a ella y que sean parte del 40% de la población con menores ingresos."

https://grupogeard.com/ec/blog/categoria/sabes-instituciones...
Animus
United Kingdom
Local time: 18:29
English translation:Fiscommissional School
Explanation:
It takes into consideration educational games, and cooperative
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José Chacón
El Salvador
Local time: 11:29
Grading comment
I decided to use fiscomisional as is - an explanation of the term was provided elsewhere in the text, so this seemed acceptable in the context. Thanks!
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Summary of answers provided
4grant-maintained / direct-grant school in BrE; Fed. government-funded public school in AmE
Adrian MM.
3 +1private school with state-funded financial support
Bruna Mattos
4Fiscommissional School
José Chacón
Summary of reference entries provided
Leave it in Spanish
philgoddard
References
Taña Dalglish

Discussion entries: 3





  

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grant-maintained / direct-grant school in BrE; Fed. government-funded public school in AmE


Explanation:
Whilst Ecuador seems to be a newsworthy country these days / every day, there is not much point leaving the original Spanish title when it is unlikely to make much sense either to many or most English speakers or non-Ecuadorian, Spanish/ Hispanic readers, though IMO might have been an answer to this question : www.proz.com/kudoz/english-to-spanish/government-politics/1...

Otherwise, the explanation of the term rang with me, from UK public > private boarding school library research for a British-English essay, loud 'Swinging 1960s' direct-grant and grant-maintained bells from the UK.

'Grant-maintained schools or GM schools were state schools in England and Wales between 1988 and 1998 that had opted out of local government control, being funded directly by a *grant from central government*. Some of these schools had selective admissions procedures. .. Not to be confused with direct grant grammar schools, a type of selective secondary school in England and Wales between 1945 and 1976 but -> direct-grant school: a private secondary school that receives a direct grant from the ministry of education and in return binds itself to obey certain conditions with reference to admission of pupils.'

Compare and contrast Florida etc. US Charter Schools, though ProZ colleagues on the spot may care to elaborate, elucidate and expand thereon: 'Charter schools are public schools that operate under a *performance contract*, or a “charter” which frees them from many regulations created for traditional public schools while holding them accountable for academic and financial results.'



Example sentence(s):
  • IATE: es entidad fiscomisional COM centro concertado COM en private school with state-funded financial support
  • USA: Public schools are funded through a combination of local, state, and federal dollars... Public school funding comes primarily from local and state governments, while the federal government provides about 8% of local school funding.

    Reference: http://www.proz.com/kudoz/spanish-to-english/education-pedag...
    Reference: http://www.proz.com/kudoz/spanish-to-english/certificates-di...
Adrian MM.
Austria
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 16
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +1
private school with state-funded financial support


Explanation:
According to European Union terminology:
entidad fiscomisional > private school with state-funded financial support
https://iate.europa.eu/search/result/1708560684005/1

It may also be translated into "state-funded private school" etc.

Examples of use:
Education trade unions representing state-subsidised private education in France have made history by uniting to put forward their demands and call for “decent and peaceful working conditions for all employees”, as “a matter of survival and dignity”. (…) “There is clearly a lack of familiarity, on the part of the Ministry, with how private schools with state-funded financial support work”.
https://www.ei-ie.org/en/item/22893:france-private-education...

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Note added at 1 hr (2024-02-22 00:21:35 GMT)
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Public schools and concertadas (state-subsidised private schools) receive different levels of government funding and are subject to certain curriculum requirements - most notably that the main language of instruction is Catalan.
https://www.goodschoolsguide.co.uk/international/spain/barce...

Bruna Mattos
Brazil
Local time: 14:29
Native speaker of: Portuguese

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  patinba: state-funded
12 hrs
  -> Thanks, patinba.

neutral  philgoddard: We don't have the context, but let's imagine it's the definition provided by the asker. You're effectively saying ''private schools with state support are private schools with state support'. So 'escuela fiscomisional' should be left in Spanish.
13 hrs
  -> You have a point! I didn't assume the definition provided by the asker is the actual source text, but if it is, I agree with you!
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1 day 16 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
Fiscommissional School


Explanation:
It takes into consideration educational games, and cooperative

Example sentence(s):
  • (PROFESSIONAL, FISCOMMISSIONAL AND PRIVATE)

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/363535075_STEAM_COMO_ENFOQUE_INTERDISCIPLINARIO_E_INCLUSIVO_PARA_DESARROLLAR_LAS_POTENCIALIDADES_Y_
José Chacón
El Salvador
Local time: 11:29
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in SpanishSpanish
PRO pts in category: 12
Grading comment
I decided to use fiscomisional as is - an explanation of the term was provided elsewhere in the text, so this seemed acceptable in the context. Thanks!
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Reference comments


33 mins
Reference: Leave it in Spanish

Reference information:
http://www.proz.com/kudoz/spanish-to-english/education-pedag...

I think it's confusing if you try to translate it, or to find an equivalent in your own country.

philgoddard
United States
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 259

Peer comments on this reference comment (and responses from the reference poster)
disagree  Adrian MM.: 'Compare and contrast Florida etc. US Charter Schools, though ProZ colleagues on the spot may care to elaborate, elucidate and expand thereon'
31 mins
  -> What on Earth are you talking about? If you're going to keep disagreeing with people's answers, at least have the courtesy to write in comprehensible English.
neutral  patinba: Only if part of the school's name, not the case here.
13 hrs
  -> So would you also translate lycée in French, or Gymnasium in German?
agree  Luis M. Sosa: leave it in Spanish, provide a brief explanation (see Tania's refs) in an end note.
14 hrs
  -> Thanks. We don't have the context, but the explanation may be provided in the text itself. The main point I was making is that the question has been asked before, and the asker accepted that it should be left in Spanish.
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1 hr peer agreement (net): +1
Reference: References

Reference information:
School education (pre-primary, primary and secondary) is divided into public education (fiscal and municipal), ***fiscomisional (private education subsidized by the State)*** and private education. It provides education to more than 4.3 million students, distributed among public education, which reaches 78% of the total enrolment; private education with 16%, and fiscal-commissioned education, which serves 6% of students. Out of the total student population, 76% is located in urban areas and 26% in rural areas. Students are served by approximately 203,000 teachers (72% female and 18% male), distributed in more than 16,000 educational institutions. https://riseprogramme.org/sites/default/files/2023-03/Misali... (see page 9)

One possibility is "State-subsidized private education"

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https://rstudio-pubs-static.s3.amazonaws.com/671389_27806c3e... (page 2)
What types of Ecuadorian private educational institutions?
Educational institutions in Ecuador cannot just be classified as private or public institutions. There are indeed instituciones fiscales, public institutions fully funded by the government, and instituciones particulares, private institutions fully funded by parents. However, there are also instituciones municipales, institutions fully funded by the local municipality and ***instituciones fiscomisionales, private religious schools which receive subsidies for teacher salaries and often partially or fully wave fees for disadvantaged students (IADB, 2018, p.9).*** These private religious schools will be referred to as ‘mixed’ education. As we shall later see, these distinctions matter greatly for policy making.

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IADB (2018). Private schooling in Latin America. Available from: [https://publications.iadb.org/publications/english/document/...]

- page 12: Fiscomisional - Religious schools that have an agreement with the government and receive subsidies to pay teacher salaries

- Page 45: During the time of the border disputes between Ecuador and Peru, many religious communities supported the state in the provision of education. Some of these institutions now receive public funding and are called //fiscomisionales.//11 According to the Organic Law of Intercultural Education (Ley Orgánica de Educación Intercultural or LOEI) these schools are congregations, religious orders or any other religious or secular organization. They are non-profit (religious or secular). For-profit schools are also banned in the unsubsidized private school sector. 11 See http://lahora.com.ec/index.php/noticias

- Page 46: To authorize the operation of a //fiscomisional school//, the Central Authority requests the following information (Art. 92 Reglamento LOEI):
- Page 46: Regarding labor regulations, teachers in public and fiscomisionales schools are regulated by the public education career path. Unlike public and fiscomisional teachers, teachers who work in private unsubsidized institutions are regulated only by the Labor Code.


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Note added at 1 hr (2024-02-22 00:30:44 GMT)
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[This is my own entry from a previous question, hence I will not input as an answer, but there may be some useful links otherwise included].

My notation was: "I don't personally care for the term. However, a recognized institution, such as the UN (UNCHR) (last link provided), uses it, so I dont see why you shouldn't. The other option may be to leave "Colegio fiscomisional"."

- Ministerial Decree No. 403 (institutionalization of sex education in the country’s public, private, ***fiscomisional*** (State-funded religious) and municipal educational establishments, at the level of basic education and baccalaureate), complying with the Sex Education and Love Act and the National Plan for the
Eradication of Sexual Offences in the Educational Sphere of 10 August 2006; Decree No. 062 (establishment of the National Plan for the Eradication of Sexual Offences in the country’s public, fiscomisional, private and municipal educational establishments at the various levels and in the different modalities of the education system) of 26 February 2008.


https://www.proz.com/kudoz/spanish-to-english/education-peda...

Taña Dalglish
Jamaica
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 245
Note to reference poster
Asker: Thank you for the references - they were very helpful!


Peer comments on this reference comment (and responses from the reference poster)
agree  Luis M. Sosa
13 hrs
  -> Thank you Luis.
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