Feb 21, 2023 10:15
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French term
inductif (noun)
French to English
Tech/Engineering
Electronics / Elect Eng
Technical manual for a sophisticated cheese-cutter machine, involving a conveyor belt, etc.
"Une griffe accompagnante
-un moteur synchrone
-un inductif initialisation chariot
-une unité de guidage verticale du pousseur
-2 inductifs position haute et basse pousseur
-une unité de guidage verticale de la griffe
-1 inductif position haute de la griffe
Un portique de coupe
-un moteur synchrone
-un inductif initialisation portique
-2 ensembles US avec sonotrode de 300mm
..."
NB "US" is "ultrasound".
Haven't seen much evidence that "inductif" necessarily translates as "inductor". Sounds more like this is shorthand for some more specific device.
Is our resident guru on all things electrical available for consultation?
"Une griffe accompagnante
-un moteur synchrone
-un inductif initialisation chariot
-une unité de guidage verticale du pousseur
-2 inductifs position haute et basse pousseur
-une unité de guidage verticale de la griffe
-1 inductif position haute de la griffe
Un portique de coupe
-un moteur synchrone
-un inductif initialisation portique
-2 ensembles US avec sonotrode de 300mm
..."
NB "US" is "ultrasound".
Haven't seen much evidence that "inductif" necessarily translates as "inductor". Sounds more like this is shorthand for some more specific device.
Is our resident guru on all things electrical available for consultation?
Proposed translations
(English)
| 3 +3 | inductive sensor |
Tony M
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| 4 | inductive limit switch |
Jennifer Levey
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| 4 -1 | 1+4: inductive intiator , 2+3: inductor (choke) |
Johannes Gleim
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Proposed translations
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15 mins
French term (edited):
inductif
Selected
inductive sensor
I agree; not thate both 'inductor' and 'inductance' are used in EN, even though not strictly speaking interchangeable.
However, as you say, it seems more likely here that it is '(something) that works by inductance'. Without being able to find out exactly what, I'd say that 'sensor' is a safe catch-all term to use here: it won't be "wrong", but covers all bases!
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However, as you say, it seems more likely here that it is '(something) that works by inductance'. Without being able to find out exactly what, I'd say that 'sensor' is a safe catch-all term to use here: it won't be "wrong", but covers all bases!
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Note from asker:
| Thanks very much. |
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Samuël Buysschaert
4 hrs
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Merci, Samuël !
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| agree |
Schtroumpf
: Quick and clean...
1 day 30 mins
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Thanks, Schtroumpf!
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| agree |
Kim Metzger
4 days
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2 hrs
Jennifer Levey
Chile
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Specializes in field
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Native in: English (Variant: British) 
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French term (edited):
inductif
inductive limit switch
In this kind of machine I'd except to find limit 'switches', rather than mere 'sensors'. That said, modular travel-limitation devices can use a combination of sensors and solid-state switches to achieve the required end result - ensuring the safety of the machine and stray human beings.
Compare:
https://www.samsongroup.com/document/t83560fr.pdf
and
https://www.samsongroup.com/document/t83560en.pdf
Compare:
https://www.samsongroup.com/document/t83560fr.pdf
and
https://www.samsongroup.com/document/t83560en.pdf
Note from asker:
| Thanks. I can see this for "-2 inductifs position haute et basse pousseur"... but is it so clear for "-un inductif initialisation portique"? Does the process of "initialisation" necessarily involve limit switches? At which point, in light of my ignorance of such matters, I retire gracefully from debating the question... |
Peer comment(s):
| neutral |
Tony M
: Asker, it could be typically a Hall-effect sensor that either indicates when the 'portique' is in its 'home' position — or somehow helps it to get there.
23 hrs
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5 hrs
Johannes Gleim
Specializes in field
40 years Engineer, 20 years translations
Native in: German
Works in: English to German, German to English, French to German, and 6 more.
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1+4: inductive intiator , 2+3: inductor (choke)
Based on the spelling, syntax and my electrical background, I understand that 'inductive' is an adjective twice and a misspelled noun twice:
-un inductif initialisation chariot => an inductive intiator for chars
-2 inductifs position haute et basse pousseur => 2 inductors (chokes) for high and low position
-1 inductif position haute de la griffe => one inductor (choke) for high position
-un inductif initialisation portique..." => an inductive intiator for gantries
An inductor, also called a coil, choke, or reactor, is a passive two-terminal electrical component that stores energy in a magnetic field when electric current flows through it.[1] An inductor typically consists of an insulated wire wound into a coil.
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An inductor is characterized by its inductance, which is the ratio of the voltage to the rate of change of current. In the International System of Units (SI), the unit of inductance is the henry (H) named for 19th century American scientist Joseph Henry.
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A choke is an inductor designed specifically for blocking high-frequency alternating current (AC) in an electrical circuit, while allowing DC or low-frequency signals to pass.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inductor
An inductive sensor is a device that uses the principle of electromagnetic induction to detect or measure objects. An inductor develops a magnetic field when a current flows through it; alternatively, a current will flow through a circuit containing an inductor when the magnetic field through it changes. This effect can be used to detect metallic objects that interact with a magnetic field.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inductive_sensor
We control the position of our RL-D joints by using the motor encoder (of our igus stepper motors). In order to define a reference point (or ZERO position), an additional inductive initiator switch (=Ini) can be installed on the joint as an option.
https://blog.igus.eu/ini-switch-for-robolink-d/
Option 9: for signal door open/closed
https://www.solids.de/fileadmin/content/pdf/Datasheets/Entle...
Figure 1: Common-mode choke for the parallel combination of an RG-58/U coaxial cable and a four-wire control cable.
https://remoteqth.com/img/ZAW-WIKI/cmcc/CommonModeChokesW1HI...
SITRANS SL, Installation kit choke for sensor purging
© Siemens AG 2018. All rights reserved Amendment 1 to Operating Instructions A5E01132948-04
http://img.jdzj.com/UserDocument/mallpic/bjhdzxkj2020/dn/zl6...
-un inductif initialisation chariot => an inductive intiator for chars
-2 inductifs position haute et basse pousseur => 2 inductors (chokes) for high and low position
-1 inductif position haute de la griffe => one inductor (choke) for high position
-un inductif initialisation portique..." => an inductive intiator for gantries
An inductor, also called a coil, choke, or reactor, is a passive two-terminal electrical component that stores energy in a magnetic field when electric current flows through it.[1] An inductor typically consists of an insulated wire wound into a coil.
:
An inductor is characterized by its inductance, which is the ratio of the voltage to the rate of change of current. In the International System of Units (SI), the unit of inductance is the henry (H) named for 19th century American scientist Joseph Henry.
:
A choke is an inductor designed specifically for blocking high-frequency alternating current (AC) in an electrical circuit, while allowing DC or low-frequency signals to pass.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inductor
An inductive sensor is a device that uses the principle of electromagnetic induction to detect or measure objects. An inductor develops a magnetic field when a current flows through it; alternatively, a current will flow through a circuit containing an inductor when the magnetic field through it changes. This effect can be used to detect metallic objects that interact with a magnetic field.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inductive_sensor
We control the position of our RL-D joints by using the motor encoder (of our igus stepper motors). In order to define a reference point (or ZERO position), an additional inductive initiator switch (=Ini) can be installed on the joint as an option.
https://blog.igus.eu/ini-switch-for-robolink-d/
Option 9: for signal door open/closed
https://www.solids.de/fileadmin/content/pdf/Datasheets/Entle...
Figure 1: Common-mode choke for the parallel combination of an RG-58/U coaxial cable and a four-wire control cable.
https://remoteqth.com/img/ZAW-WIKI/cmcc/CommonModeChokesW1HI...
SITRANS SL, Installation kit choke for sensor purging
© Siemens AG 2018. All rights reserved Amendment 1 to Operating Instructions A5E01132948-04
http://img.jdzj.com/UserDocument/mallpic/bjhdzxkj2020/dn/zl6...
Note from asker:
| Thanks for the benefit of your expertise. I have a few doubts about some of the stuff you say, but since I have so little expertise it'd need an opinion from someone such as Tony M. For example, you say "inductif initialisation portique" is "inductive intiator for gantries". As this is a cheese-cutter, I think "gantry" is really quite funny. The blocks of cheese don't weigh 100 tonnes. But also, in that phrase, "inductif", if it is to be considered an adj., clearly doesn't concord, in gender, with "initialisation", and reall is much more likely, IMHO, to be a noun... etc. |
Peer comment(s):
| disagree |
Tony M
: Technical non-sense: why would you use a choke to detect or define a 'high' or 'low' position for something? Also, almost certainly not a 'gantry' And always presumptuous to assume a spelling error.
19 hrs
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The term "inductive" is to be interpreted differently acc. the context. As "choke" it eliminates radio interferences when switching, as "intiator" it activates switching operations.
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Discussion
-un inductif initialisation chariot
-2 inductifs position haute et basse pousseur
- 1 inductif position haute de la griffe
-un inductif initialisation portique
B. − ÉLECTR., PHYS. Qui concerne l'induction (électromagnétique); qui est dû aux phénomènes de l'induction. Courant inductif.
Circuit inductif. Circuit où a lieu l'induction; circuit possédant une induction propre.
https://www.cnrtl.fr/definition/Inductif
Concrètement, il s'agit d'initiateurs inductifs et de capteurs de position inductifs pour commuter les éléments de l'appareil.
En Anglais: It is about inductive initiators and inductive position sensors for switching certain parts of the device.
De plus, les composants inductifs tels que les bobines influencent les déphasages et peuvent servir de passe-bas pour atténuer les interférences radioélectriques à haute fréquence lors de la commutation. C'est pourquoi ils sont prescrits dans de nombreuses normes.
NB : En tant qu'ingénieur électricien pendant 40 ans, j'ai beaucoup travaillé dans ce domaine et sur ces phénomènes.