Glossary entry (derived from question below)
English term or phrase:
good old-fashioned grit
French translation:
une bonne dose de cran à l\'ancienne
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Nathalie Reis
Oct 21, 2013 15:13
10 yrs ago
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English term
good old-fashioned grit
English to French
Marketing
Human Resources
XXX’s courage, doggedness, healthy balance of patience and impatience, plus good, old-fashioned grit, should inspire all of us.
Proposed translations
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Proposed translations
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15 mins
Christian Fournier
France
France
Native in French
France
39 years of experience speak for quality
Native in: French 
Works in: English to French, German to French
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une bonne dose de cran à l'ancienne
suggestion
(j'ai rajouté "une bonne dose de" pour faire plus français)
(j'ai rajouté "une bonne dose de" pour faire plus français)
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Kévin Bernier
: "bonne dose de cran", I think "à l'ancienne" is unnecessary here although it would be an option to translate "old-fashioned". I personally don't see the necessity in translating it though, it sounds a little loaded.
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Merci Kévin !
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Premium✍️
: "à l'ancienne" n'est pas idiomatique ni nécessaire ici. J'aime bien "une bonne DOSE de cran" :)
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"à l'ancienne" does not seem unnecessary to me here, because the sentence sounds like the funeral oration of XXX, or a speech to XXX's retirement...
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polyglot45
: pour moi "cran" = guts; "grit" = ténacité, refus de baisser les bras
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Tony M
: And from the way it is worded in this list, it is one of XXX's characteristics (that should inspire us), so I'm not sure that one can really add 'une bonne dose de...'
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Comment: "J'ai finalement decide de dire une bonne dose de cran - sans ajouter à l'ancienne. Merci! C'était bien vu."
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Alain Boulé
Native in French
Technical translation by an engineer
Native in: French
Works in: English to French, German to French
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sa fermeté digne des anciens
Les anciens étant nos prédécesseurs et non pas les "vieux" d'aujourd'hui.
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English term (edited):
his good old-fashioned grit
son bon vieux cran d'autrefois
Would that be a way of working in the 'good old-fashioned' bit, while preserving the list structure?
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Note added at 7 hrs (2013-10-21 22:29:00 GMT)
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This suggestion, apparently not liked by some, is however taken directly from the esteemed Robert + Collins dictionary.
Now I'm not saying it is the ideal situation in this particular instance — but I certainly don't think it can be merely dismissed out of hand.
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Note added at 7 hrs (2013-10-21 22:31:59 GMT)
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In the s/t, there is a great deal of meaning conveyed by 'good, old-fashioned', and to simply ignore it / omit it completely will, I fear, inevitably dilute and distort the meaning.
Naturally, I bow to our FR-native-speaking colleagues when it comes to the best way to express it — but I do insist that it does need to be rendered by some means or other.
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Note added at 7 hrs (2013-10-21 22:29:00 GMT)
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This suggestion, apparently not liked by some, is however taken directly from the esteemed Robert + Collins dictionary.
Now I'm not saying it is the ideal situation in this particular instance — but I certainly don't think it can be merely dismissed out of hand.
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Note added at 7 hrs (2013-10-21 22:31:59 GMT)
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In the s/t, there is a great deal of meaning conveyed by 'good, old-fashioned', and to simply ignore it / omit it completely will, I fear, inevitably dilute and distort the meaning.
Naturally, I bow to our FR-native-speaking colleagues when it comes to the best way to express it — but I do insist that it does need to be rendered by some means or other.
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Premium✍️
: Pléonastique et redondant.
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Which bit?
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Victoria Britten
: "comme on n'en voit plus" ?
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Thanks, Victoria! Maybe... not sure if that's adding a notion that is not there in the s/t — but at least it's not leaving one out ;-)
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Philippe Locquet
Portugal
Portugal
Native in French
Portugal
English, Portuguese to French Medical
Native in: French (Variant: Standard-France)
Works in: English to French, English to Portuguese, French to Portuguese, and 1 more.
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une bonne-vieille dose de ténacité
une option
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