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Mar 28, 2021 11:26
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English term

top 19th percentile

English to French Bus/Financial Human Resources CV
Dans un CV de candidature, exposé de l'expérience professionnelle :
"Improved engagement levels by 10 bp and scored in top 19th percentile of peer group."

Comment comprenez-vous cette phrase ?
Proposed translations (French)
5 -1 et s'est placé au 19ème rang centile du groupe de référence
4 un score au dessus de celui de 81% de ses pairs
3 19e centile supérieur
5 -2 était parmis les meilleurs 19% au sein de son groupe de pairs
3 -1 à hauteur du 19e centile

Discussion

Daryo Apr 8, 2021:
Can't believe it! "... scored in top 19th percentile of peer group"

Is it so difficult to notice the "top" bit???

If you are in the "top" 19th percentile you are pretty close to THE TOP, the percentile you are in is the 19th percentile when you start counting from the top, not from the BOTTOM of the ranking.

You shouldn't need a PhD in Maths to figure it out!

Just to pay attention to the actual text to translate, and some sprinkling of common sense - on which side of a ranking scale would be the TOP?

Also, who sane would feel the need to draw anyone's attention to being in the 19th of the lowest percentiles???

While being "in top 19th percentile of a peer group" would certainly be worth mentioning in a CV... Wouldn't a reasonable assumption be that everyone would put achievements in a CV, not failures?
Daryo Mar 28, 2021:
???? "percentile" _A_R_E_ based on percents, only on a different kind of percentage from the usual marks - not on how many percents of questions you answered right (like a mark on a possible maximum of 20, or 100), but on the percentage of other people in your class having a better or a worse score.

It's not any kind of "reference" it's still a system of ranking within a class / a group passing the same test/exam. You misinterpreted the "reference", which is BTW a "translation" done by MT. As in "Si vous tirez pour Harvard" (if you are aiming for Harvard) etc..

here is a better explanation:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Percentile_rank
Nathalie Beaudelot Mar 28, 2021:
C’est un système de référence qui, au lieu d’être basé sur le pourcentage. s’aligne sur une valeur donnée dans un groupe -https://www.greelane.com/fr/ressources/pour-les-étudiants-et...

Proposed translations

-1
23 mins

à hauteur du 19e centile

Système référentiel national utilisé ici, en Irlande, dans l’enseignement primaire, pour allouer une note aux élèves dans des matières clé comme la lecture, le calcul etc.
Peer comment(s):
disagree Daryo : this guy/gal was in the top of the class, you put them in the bottom
10 hrs
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-1
20 hrs

et s'est placé au 19ème rang centile du groupe de référence

Classement par comparaison aux résultats des autres personnes faisant partie du même groupe...
By the way, 19ème rang centile, ce n'est vraiment pas le "top"
Example sentence:

Ainsi,Gérard est au 98e rang centile.

Reference:

https://www.alloprof.qc.ca/fr/eleves/bv/mathematiques/le-rang-centile-m1371

Peer comment(s):
agree GILLES MEUNIER
1 hr
disagree Daryo : if you take the trouble to reread the ST while paying attention, you might notice that it' s NOT "19ème rang centile" counting from the bottom! + a "reference group" would be some EXTERNAL group, no the class /year/promotion of his candidate.
5 hrs
Hi Daryo, you should take the time to reread carefully what's behind your link... or mine https://testpartnership.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/200842... - I am pretty sure you are not in the right place on the scale of values
disagree Francois Boye : You aren't ranked. You belong to a group that is on top of all the others, i.e., 81% of your peers.//Top 19th percentile = means that the 19th percentile is above all the others
2 days 6 hrs
Sorry guys, but I still believe that "top" is a faux ami or pretence... Christian, could you give us more context/details to check if we are talking about a high performer or NOT?
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23 hrs

19e centile supérieur

Sources : Banque mondiale; Forum économique mondial; PRS Group; calculs des services du FMI.
20e-40e centile
20e supérieur

https://www.imf.org/external/french/pubs/ft/reo/2014/mcd/men...

Cette structure fiscale très progressive a d'énormes conséquences pour les États-Unis. Presque toutes les recettes fiscales fédérales proviennent du 20e centile supérieur.

https://www.adividedworld.com/fr/political-ideas/curious-err...

Ces graphes de Piketty montrent l’évolution de la part du centile supérieur (les 1% les plus riches) dans les salaires et les revenus.

http://gribeco.free.fr/spip.php?article20
Peer comment(s):
neutral Daryo : maybe not the usual formulation for school results, but you could say it that way also - at least you didn't put this candidate in the lowest 19%! / One way or another it's the personal score of this candidate, not some ranking of businesses.
2 hrs
I don't think they are referring to school peers. The beginning of the sentence talks about improving engagement levels.
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-2
11 hrs
English term (edited): scored in top 19th percentile of peer group

était parmis les meilleurs 19% au sein de son groupe de pairs

a obtenu un résultat dans les 19% des meilleurs résultats au sien de son groupe de pairs

était parmis les meilleurs 19% au sein de son groupe de pairs


scored in top 19th percentile of peer group
=
Within this "peer group" (however defined) there are 19% of "pairs" that obtained the same of higher score, and 81% that obtained a lower score.

Which means that this candidate was in the 82nd percentile, as percentiles are counted starting from the lowest value of the variable, here from the lowest scores.

The first percentile are those at the total bottom of the class / peer group, those at very top are in the 100th percentile,

you could also say of this candidate:

"son résultat était dans le 82-ème centile"


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Note added at 1 day 1 hr (2021-03-29 13:04:52 GMT)
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... the same or higher score ...
Peer comment(s):
disagree GILLES MEUNIER : parmi
10 hrs
Alerte! L'obsédé du bouton rouge sous tout prétexte vaseux est dans les parages ...
disagree Bruno Carlier : For me this is all the contrary. This candidate is not a high valued one: 19th percentile just means lagging behind; 81% of the reference group got higher scores… Besides, engagement level improved by 10bp (= 0.1% only!) is not very satisfactory…Isn’t it?
1 day 8 hrs
R_e_a_d the text.
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1 day 2 hrs

un score au dessus de celui de 81% de ses pairs

What does top 20th percentile mean?

Percentile indicates how many students have been outperformed by you in exam. Top 20 percentile means that you are ahead of 80% of the people.
Peer comment(s):
disagree Bruno Carlier : No François, you are ahead of 80% of the people if you are 80th percentile...
18 hrs
81% +19% = 1000%. Can you add numbers?
agree Daryo : exactly - shouldn't be so difficult to make the difference between "top" and "bottom" in a ranking system.
1 day 8 hrs
Thanks!
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