Jan 12 15:39
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French term
procès verbal d'ouverture et de description
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Bonjour il s'agit d'un acte de notoriété et la phrase suivante :
L'original de ces dispositions testamentaires a été déposé au rang des minutes de Maitre XX notaire à XX, suivant procès verbal d'ouverture et de description en date du ....
Merci beaucoup pour votre aide
L'original de ces dispositions testamentaires a été déposé au rang des minutes de Maitre XX notaire à XX, suivant procès verbal d'ouverture et de description en date du ....
Merci beaucoup pour votre aide
Proposed translations
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| 4 +1 | NFG - as per record of opening and description (of will) |
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Jan 12, 2024 16:34: philgoddard changed "Field (write-in)" from "Acte de notoriété" to "(none)"
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NFG - as per record of opening and description (of will)
As is often the case, the Discussion box is not big enough for what I have to say. This 'answer' is Not For Grading since it has IMHO been answered correctly already.
In the examples below it is clear that the PVO occurred after the death of the person who made the will, that the wills were testaments olographes, probably sealed (as I suspect is the case in Asker's text) deposited with the notaire who notified the Fichier central of its existence and, having learnt of the demise of the person, proceeded to open it.
"Suivant procès-verbal d'ouverture refers to the fact that the PVO established at the time the will was opened recorded the fact that the will had been deposited with the notaire, i.e. suivant means 'as per'.
"Suivant testament olographe en date du 7 janvier 2012, Monsieur Philippe Jean BOUCOURT, demeurant à SAINT-NICOLAS-D'ALIERMONT (76510), 353 rue de Dieppe, né à DIEPPE (76200), le 26 août 1958, Décédé à BELLENGREVILLE (76630) (FRANCE), le 3 novembre 2023 a institué un légataire universel.
L'original de ces dispositions testamentaires a été déposé au rang des minutes de Maître Marie-Amélie LEFEVRE-POGGIALE, notaire à ENVERMEU (76630), 23 rue des Canadiens, suivant procès-verbal d’ouverture et de description en date du 20 décembre 2023, dont il résulte que le légataire remplit les conditions de la saisine."
"M. [O] [V] est décédé en 2006 et Mme [D] [K] est décédée à [Localité 8] le 25 octobre 2013, laissant pour lui succéder sa fille unique et en l'état d'un testament olographe daté du 13 août 2013, déposé au rang des minutes de Maître [E], Notaire à Quarante, suivant procès-verbal d'ouverture et de description en date du 7 janvier 2014, par lequel elle a institué son frère, M. [Z] [K], comme son légataire universel."
In the examples below it is clear that the PVO occurred after the death of the person who made the will, that the wills were testaments olographes, probably sealed (as I suspect is the case in Asker's text) deposited with the notaire who notified the Fichier central of its existence and, having learnt of the demise of the person, proceeded to open it.
"Suivant procès-verbal d'ouverture refers to the fact that the PVO established at the time the will was opened recorded the fact that the will had been deposited with the notaire, i.e. suivant means 'as per'.
"Suivant testament olographe en date du 7 janvier 2012, Monsieur Philippe Jean BOUCOURT, demeurant à SAINT-NICOLAS-D'ALIERMONT (76510), 353 rue de Dieppe, né à DIEPPE (76200), le 26 août 1958, Décédé à BELLENGREVILLE (76630) (FRANCE), le 3 novembre 2023 a institué un légataire universel.
L'original de ces dispositions testamentaires a été déposé au rang des minutes de Maître Marie-Amélie LEFEVRE-POGGIALE, notaire à ENVERMEU (76630), 23 rue des Canadiens, suivant procès-verbal d’ouverture et de description en date du 20 décembre 2023, dont il résulte que le légataire remplit les conditions de la saisine."
"M. [O] [V] est décédé en 2006 et Mme [D] [K] est décédée à [Localité 8] le 25 octobre 2013, laissant pour lui succéder sa fille unique et en l'état d'un testament olographe daté du 13 août 2013, déposé au rang des minutes de Maître [E], Notaire à Quarante, suivant procès-verbal d'ouverture et de description en date du 7 janvier 2014, par lequel elle a institué son frère, M. [Z] [K], comme son légataire universel."
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AllegroTrans
: This explanation and your example text correspond with many such documents that I have translated
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Reference comments
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Emmanuella
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Italy
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le plaisir de trouver le mot juste
Native in: French
Works in: Italian to French, English to French, French to Italian
Reference:
Procès-verbal d'ouverture et de description
https://www.proz.com/kudoz/french-to-english/law-general/693...
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Note added at 22 minutes (2024-01-12 16:02:33 GMT)
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Record of opening and description ( of will).
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Note added at 22 minutes (2024-01-12 16:02:33 GMT)
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Record of opening and description ( of will).
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philgoddard
: Once again, asker, please check the glossary before posting.
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writeaway
: They should bring back the Kudoz rule stating that Askers have to research BEFORE they post + they have to explain what the problem is
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Discussion
The point I have tried to make is that your cited answer - which ends with the words (in parenthesis): "of will", strongly implies that what is being 'opened' is the will - when it fact it is the record/minutes of notarisation / protocolisation of a will that is being opened. Those minutes are 'opened' when the will is signed by the testator and deposited with the notary for safe keeping, and 'closed' when the testator's estate has been distributed. Thereafter the PV serves as a public record of everything that was done in relation to the will.
As explained here (albeit in a different jurisdiction...): https://en.jesusbenavides.es/services/protocolization-act
a protocolisation act is used to incorporate a document (in Sarah's case, a will) into the notary's protocol, thus ensuring its preservation.
Le notaire dresse alors un premier acte, le procès verbal d'ouverture et d'état du testament, dans lequel il précise les circonstances du dépôt et décrit le document.
http://succession.pagesjaunes.fr/astuce/voir/604879/ouvertur...
It doesn't necessarily involve physically opening an emvelope, but the notary or lawyer shares the will's contents with the beneficiaries.
1. The will in this case was being 'signed and sealed', not 'opened': *wrong*. I have seen in other cases that the Notary opens (pre-deposit 'unseals') the Will and describes the Will format and condition: e..g a 'Will written on two pages, in good condition apart from dog-eared edges etc. and with no alterations and no paper-clipped document.' Ref. my plight and condition in the weblink. This also happens in other legal systems.
2. What is being 'opened' in Sarah's ST is not the will - but rather the record of the circumstances in which the will was made. *a circular argument* as the procès verbal' serves as a record of 'description' of the Will, rather than a record of itself. If it were the testator or testarix making the 'description' by showing the Will to the Notary and witnesses then, technically again, it would be a Will publication. 'The testator must clearly identify themselves as the maker of the will, and that a will is being made; this is commonly called "publication" of the will ...' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_and_testament
Consequently, although it contains a lot of useful reference information, the accepted answer provided by AT in the link provided by Emmanuella "Record of opening and description (of will)" is not correct in Sarah's context. The will in this case was being 'signed and sealed', not 'opened'.
2. The expression procès verbal d'ouverture (often abbreviated to 'POV') is not only used in connection with wills. In general terms, it can refer to the record (minutes) of the opening session of any formal process conducted under the auspices of a notary, such as, for example, a sortie d'indivision. What is being 'opened' in Sarah's ST is not the will - but rather the record of the circumstances in which the will was made.
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