Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
cuve (de sarcophage)
English translation:
chest
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cuve (de sarcophage)
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This is a dubbing script for a video for a tourist information centre.
It discusses a surprising archaeological discovery of an ancient Greek quarry in Marseille.
Tout d’abord durant la période grecque archaïque, entre la fin du 6e et le début du 5e siècle avant notre ère, où l’on observe une production quasi industrielle de cuves de sarcophages.
[and then later on]
Ici une cuve non creusée, avec ses contours soigneusement délimités à l’aide d’un pic d’extraction aux extrémités pointues afin d’ébaucher la forme de la cuve.
'Sarcophagus' works in the first instance, but as the text becomes more specific, there are many instances of the use of 'cuve' by itself, as in the second extract.
'vat', 'vessel', and 'tank' do not seem to fit. I was thinking perhaps 'box'?
It discusses a surprising archaeological discovery of an ancient Greek quarry in Marseille.
Tout d’abord durant la période grecque archaïque, entre la fin du 6e et le début du 5e siècle avant notre ère, où l’on observe une production quasi industrielle de cuves de sarcophages.
[and then later on]
Ici une cuve non creusée, avec ses contours soigneusement délimités à l’aide d’un pic d’extraction aux extrémités pointues afin d’ébaucher la forme de la cuve.
'Sarcophagus' works in the first instance, but as the text becomes more specific, there are many instances of the use of 'cuve' by itself, as in the second extract.
'vat', 'vessel', and 'tank' do not seem to fit. I was thinking perhaps 'box'?
Proposed translations
(English)
| 3 +1 | chest |
Steve Robbie
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| 5 | coffin (sarcophagus) |
Annette Fehr
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| 1 | casket |
Bourth
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Proposed translations
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chest
From descriptions of sarcophagi on the British Museum website:
The base of the chest comprises a roughly finished plinth and a guilloche set between two Lesbian cymatia and fillets.
https://www.britishmuseum.org/collection/object/G_1800-0712-...
The lid is made of Carrara marble, the chest of Proconnesian marble. Within the chest at the left end is a shelf for the head, 41 cm long and 5 cm high. The interior is carefully finished with a point.
https://www.britishmuseum.org/collection/object/G_1873-0820-...
Dimensions
Height: Height: 380 millimetres (Chest) (Chest)
Height: Height: 276 millimetres (Internal) (Internal)
Height: Height: 190 millimetres (Lid, at apex) (Lid, at apex)
Height: Height: 80 millimetres (Lid, minimum, at sides) (Lid, minimum, at sides)
Length: Length: 1535 millimetres (Chest)
https://www.britishmuseum.org/collection/object/H_1853-0620-...
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Note added at 58 mins (2023-12-21 10:39:03 GMT)
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(I assume you need to distinguish the body of the thing from the lid).
The base of the chest comprises a roughly finished plinth and a guilloche set between two Lesbian cymatia and fillets.
https://www.britishmuseum.org/collection/object/G_1800-0712-...
The lid is made of Carrara marble, the chest of Proconnesian marble. Within the chest at the left end is a shelf for the head, 41 cm long and 5 cm high. The interior is carefully finished with a point.
https://www.britishmuseum.org/collection/object/G_1873-0820-...
Dimensions
Height: Height: 380 millimetres (Chest) (Chest)
Height: Height: 276 millimetres (Internal) (Internal)
Height: Height: 190 millimetres (Lid, at apex) (Lid, at apex)
Height: Height: 80 millimetres (Lid, minimum, at sides) (Lid, minimum, at sides)
Length: Length: 1535 millimetres (Chest)
https://www.britishmuseum.org/collection/object/H_1853-0620-...
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Note added at 58 mins (2023-12-21 10:39:03 GMT)
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(I assume you need to distinguish the body of the thing from the lid).
Note from asker:
| Thank you. I think chest (or trough) would work. I have added an image of the excavation site to the Discussion section. |
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
philgoddard
: Or box. http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/rsar/hd_rsar.htm
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thank you. I went with 'chest' as it seemed to fit in well with the visuals from the video of the site and the wider description of the excavation workflow. Thank you for the reference links. Much appreciated!"
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coffin (sarcophagus)
A sarcophagus is a type of coffin made of stone, wood or other materials used in ancient times:
"sarcophagus" https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/sarcopha... (Cambridge Dictionary)
"Cuve" in French is simply a recipient without specifying the contents,
https://www.dictionnaire-academie.fr/article/A9C5374 (Academie francaise) whereas sarcophogi (French: "sarcophage") were recipients from the Ancient until Medieval periods intended to hold cadavers.
https://www.dictionnaire-academie.fr/article/A9S0472 (Academie Francaise)
"sarcophagus" https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/sarcopha... (Cambridge Dictionary)
"Cuve" in French is simply a recipient without specifying the contents,
https://www.dictionnaire-academie.fr/article/A9C5374 (Academie francaise) whereas sarcophogi (French: "sarcophage") were recipients from the Ancient until Medieval periods intended to hold cadavers.
https://www.dictionnaire-academie.fr/article/A9S0472 (Academie Francaise)
Note from asker:
| Thank you. I understand your comment about 'trough' and for 'chest'. In this instance, I have chosen 'chest' because of how it went with the wider text. |
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casket
There seems to be no shortage of terms for this: box, chest, trough, body, coffin, and casket. My preference is 'casket', given what appears to be standard terminology for that type of disposal-of-human-remains: 'casket entombment'. At first I feared that 'casket' might necessarily apply to 'box' and lid together, but there are learnèd instances of the 'casket of the sarcophagus' as distinct from the lid.
The sarcophagus consists of a hollowed lower box covered by a lid that slightly conveys the contours of the upper body and the legs
https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/242007#:~:te...
The anthropoid sarcophagus consists of a stone lid and chest
https://www.globalegyptianmuseum.org/detail.aspx?id=12445
sarcophagus consists of a rectangular box and a roof-shaped lid with four acroteria angularia and pediments closely resembling those of the second example above. The coffin was found with the lid completely removed from the box, as can be seen in (Fig. 5). Like the first two, this box does not have feet,
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Photograph-of-the-third-...
The sarcophagus consists of a central body or chest, not perfectly cylindrical, covered by a massive rectangular lid, [ … ] This form of chest, arca or loculus, is rather uncommon, although well adapted for single interments
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Archaeological_Journal/Volume...
The sarcophagus consists of a trough and a lid, which are fragmented due to the action of tomb raiders.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/130870_040871/51156137086
The sarcophagus consists of a four-ton rectangular box and a gable weighing 2 tons, made of two solid blocks of marble
https://st-sophia.org.ua/en/museums-en/st-sophia-museum/necr...
A Roman stone sarcophagus comprised two 'operculum' and 'arca'. There are pieces of the coffin and the lid,
https://www.romania-insider.com/roman-sarcophagus-accidental...
Content of the casket from the marble sarcophagus in the burial chapel in the left wing of the Paramaribo basilica
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Content-of-the-casket-fr...
The stone coffin is a fine example of expert carving of a sarcophagus with both the casket and the lid made of andesite rock.
https://whc.unesco.org/fr/listesindicatives/1933/
Sarcophagus
An above ground chamber for a casket entombment typically made from granite or stone. Sarcophagus entombment is similar to mausoleum entombment in that they are both protected, clean and dry.
https://www.cemetery.com/learning-center/resources-directori...
"Entombment Defined
Unlike burials in the ground, entombments are above-ground burials. The body or cremated remains are put inside of a crypt and then sealed. Crypts are made of marble or granite. They can house the remains of one or multiple persons.
Then, the remains are sealed inside of a mausoleum or sarcophagus. Entombment is a less common burial choice. It’s less affordable than cremation and rarer to find. "
"The casket of the sarcophagus is missing. On an artistic level, the rendering of the body is formally of a lower standard, and is sculpted schematically"
https://m.museivaticani.va/content/museivaticani-mobile/en/c...
"Weighing an impressive 5511.5 pounds, the sarcophagus is 40 ½ x 91 ½ x 50 ½ inches in dimension and is comprised of a lid and casket (The Museum of Fine Arts, Houston). [...] The sides of the casket of the Roman sarcophagus are comprised of a three-registered frieze, and this gives the overall shape of the sarcophagus the look of a Roman Temple"
https://www.coursehero.com/file/16401415/Art-History-Essay/
Very rare, 19th century Grand Tour Siena marble model of a lidded sarcophagus casket in the manner of Roman originals
https://www.cellantiques.co.uk/p/695/ca0601-rare-fine-qualit...
The sarcophagus consists of a hollowed lower box covered by a lid that slightly conveys the contours of the upper body and the legs
https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/242007#:~:te...
The anthropoid sarcophagus consists of a stone lid and chest
https://www.globalegyptianmuseum.org/detail.aspx?id=12445
sarcophagus consists of a rectangular box and a roof-shaped lid with four acroteria angularia and pediments closely resembling those of the second example above. The coffin was found with the lid completely removed from the box, as can be seen in (Fig. 5). Like the first two, this box does not have feet,
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Photograph-of-the-third-...
The sarcophagus consists of a central body or chest, not perfectly cylindrical, covered by a massive rectangular lid, [ … ] This form of chest, arca or loculus, is rather uncommon, although well adapted for single interments
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Archaeological_Journal/Volume...
The sarcophagus consists of a trough and a lid, which are fragmented due to the action of tomb raiders.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/130870_040871/51156137086
The sarcophagus consists of a four-ton rectangular box and a gable weighing 2 tons, made of two solid blocks of marble
https://st-sophia.org.ua/en/museums-en/st-sophia-museum/necr...
A Roman stone sarcophagus comprised two 'operculum' and 'arca'. There are pieces of the coffin and the lid,
https://www.romania-insider.com/roman-sarcophagus-accidental...
Content of the casket from the marble sarcophagus in the burial chapel in the left wing of the Paramaribo basilica
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Content-of-the-casket-fr...
The stone coffin is a fine example of expert carving of a sarcophagus with both the casket and the lid made of andesite rock.
https://whc.unesco.org/fr/listesindicatives/1933/
Sarcophagus
An above ground chamber for a casket entombment typically made from granite or stone. Sarcophagus entombment is similar to mausoleum entombment in that they are both protected, clean and dry.
https://www.cemetery.com/learning-center/resources-directori...
"Entombment Defined
Unlike burials in the ground, entombments are above-ground burials. The body or cremated remains are put inside of a crypt and then sealed. Crypts are made of marble or granite. They can house the remains of one or multiple persons.
Then, the remains are sealed inside of a mausoleum or sarcophagus. Entombment is a less common burial choice. It’s less affordable than cremation and rarer to find. "
"The casket of the sarcophagus is missing. On an artistic level, the rendering of the body is formally of a lower standard, and is sculpted schematically"
https://m.museivaticani.va/content/museivaticani-mobile/en/c...
"Weighing an impressive 5511.5 pounds, the sarcophagus is 40 ½ x 91 ½ x 50 ½ inches in dimension and is comprised of a lid and casket (The Museum of Fine Arts, Houston). [...] The sides of the casket of the Roman sarcophagus are comprised of a three-registered frieze, and this gives the overall shape of the sarcophagus the look of a Roman Temple"
https://www.coursehero.com/file/16401415/Art-History-Essay/
Very rare, 19th century Grand Tour Siena marble model of a lidded sarcophagus casket in the manner of Roman originals
https://www.cellantiques.co.uk/p/695/ca0601-rare-fine-qualit...
Note from asker:
| Thank you. Casket does work here, as well as trough. I have added a picture of the excavation site for reference. |
| Thank you. I have gone with chest. |
Peer comment(s):
| neutral |
philgoddard
: You've suggested several alternatives, two of which we've had already.
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Be fare, call me thorough.
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